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My uncle killed a nice bull, very dead, with a .444 and the Leverevolution ammo. I too have heard good things about that ammo. IT shoots tight groups and kills things quickly. BMT
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Never shot an elk with my Winchester .444, but I have used it for caribou hunting here, and it does a very nice job at moderate ranges -- 200 yards or so. I will have no problem taking it elk hunting if I so desire.
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I hear good things about the .444/265gr Horn combo on moose. Can't see why an elk wouldn't die just as quick.
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I recall some awesome pics of your Timber Carbine and some Caribou. Post them again for us Sir, please.
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And you WERE doing so well..... Shoulda quit whlie you were on a roll of correct and decent sounding answers. Back into the dunce corner you go.
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Swampy (Mark Lewis) is simply trolling lies again, being a worthless turd.
Ignore him.
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Swampman was right....The 444 is hampered by factory ammunition using pistol bullets.By far the best factory bullet is the 265 grain Hornady but the links he gave to Beartooth Bullets,which are by far the best Cast bullets on the market for the home reloader,he was right.
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The leverevolution rounds are specifically designed for the 444 Marlin. They are not pistol bullets. I gave Swampy credit for finally saying something that was not the opposite of correct, his usual penchant, when he posted about the heavy cast slugs.
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The leverevolution bullet is just another sales gimmick. They aren't worth a $hit for nothing. Get some real hunting bullets.
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I've got a 444 & plan on using factory loads from Hornady with their 265 grain bullets. Only problem is that I like to eat elk. So usually the 30/06 ends up with me on the mtn.
I really would like to try it on a big ole black bear.
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Swampy (Mark Lewis) is simply trolling lies again, being a worthless turd.
Ignore him. Another lightweight weighing in on something he knows nothing about.
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I've got a 444 & plan on using factory loads from Hornady with their 265 grain bullets. Only problem is that I like to eat elk. So usually the 30/06 ends up with me on the mtn.
I really would like to try it on a big ole black bear. Years ago, I felt as you. That ol' ought six really maintains your confidence. But after many years of elk hunting, I realized that most of my elk were taken at under a hundred yards, so if that is your experience you really aren't being hampered by using a 150 yard rifle. The 265 grain Hornady bullet is a good one. Maybe if you use it on bear and are successful, you'll feel more confident using it on elk. Take the plunge, man.
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Swampman was right....The 444 is hampered by factory ammunition using pistol bullets.By far the best factory bullet is the 265 grain Hornady but the links he gave to Beartooth Bullets,which are by far the best Cast bullets on the market for the home reloader,he was right.
Jayco Yup, gotta admit, as much as I hate it, swampy was right on this one. Put me down as another Beartooth fan, Marshall's write ups on the 444 are a wealth of knowledge.
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Just avoid the FTX bullets and you'll be fine. The 265 InterLock is a pretty good bullet if you don't want to use hard cast.
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Well, I guess if you don't count PA in the northeast. MooseMike,not at all.I just forgot. There was talk of trying to plant them in the Adirondacks.Not sure that would work out.
Sorry,I drank the Sako-Aid.My opinion may be biased. bh444
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The very early 444 Remington 240gr were pistol bullets.They soon figured out that wasn't a good idea.They beefed them up so in reality the 444 does not use pistol bullets. Swamp 429 casts don't always work well.My 444 MICROGROOVE slugs closer to .430.I used .431 casts.Marlin barrels can very with production.
Sorry,I drank the Sako-Aid.My opinion may be biased. bh444
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That's why we make a bore cast, and buy or cast the right size cast bullets.
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all these complaints about 'pistol bullets'...
I load my 444 that was new in 1980....pretty much exclusively for hunting with 300 grain XTPs...she is leaving the Muzzle at a sedate 1850 fps...
however I see it as a 150 yd brush gun.. 1.5 x 4 scope on top...
that combo has never left me desiring or needing any more...
sadly, I tested out several boxes of the 265 grainer.. and I prefer the 300 grain XTP...
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I am surprised at how many are satisfied with the 265grn Hornady FP. Enlightening. I've been very happy with Hornady's 30 cal selection but I never considered them a tough FP levergun bullet maker. I may try them out if they present themselves for the right price.
I agree that moose should be similar to Elk but I have no experience with them. I've heard aiming too high on a Yukon Moose equals a running/lost animal or a charging bull. RM Elk have heavy bones and really require good penetration. I assumed the .444 throwing a 300grn would minimum for Elk. Too bad Nosler doesn't offer a Partition as an alternative to the spendy A-Frame. Although, Nosler isn't always cheap themselves.
I got these 300grn Uni-Cor bullets on clearance not really knowing too much about them. The boxes looked really old but I know copper and lead doesn't expire. They will be in my first loadings. If I were to try out solid cast is there leading concern if they are pushed fast?
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