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Seems to be this may have actually occured based on some innuendo I found in a summarized action report that I have requested a copy of. If this pans out I will post up the action report.
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I've never been in the Army , but I was in the USMC from 1960 to '64.The scenario I offer certainly fits the military mentality.If officers wanted the distance surveyed , well , guess what every artillery outfit has in abundance!
The Captain may have done some fast and fancy 200 yard shooting that impressed the senior officers .Later , back in the States , one could have "borrowed " his rifle on some pretext and had the plaque made and installed.The engraver would not know that the scope was not the original.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion , but the idea that the Captain would falsify the event but use real names of senior officers is incredulous.
Soldiers actually know about rifles and their effective range.A veteran officer would NEVER try a stupid con like this one would be , if it were a con.
And I REALLY doubt that the Captain ever intended that his rifle be sold.
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Yep. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. That we can agree on. I just see no corroborating evidence that would point to this story as being true in it's present form. I hope I'm wrong, hopefully something will surface that backs up the plaque. JM
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"I also find the yardages of each kill suspect. Not only the distance, but the exact down to the yard distance between the 2 kills."
John , if a Major General says ;"Get somebody to survey the range" , the report is going to be officially done.Have you EVER seen a survey report that "rounded off" to the nearest yard?
And inserting the decimal point puts the sniper and his spotter closer together like you would expect them to be.
Rather than trying to run a con , I can imagine the Captain having a laugh every time he showed off his rifle and explained the event.
Mine is a simple explanation and probably true.
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I pm,ed these people yesterday saying i would sell the rifle to them for what i had in it!!!!! i do believe it should go back to the family,but i'm not going to lose money on it, and the never replied to my PM, i don't know what all the scuttle but here is about!! Maybe they dont know what a PM is being new members. Don Let me get this straight: You sent a PM to the family yesterday.The family's first post is today. How does THAT work?
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Maybe he forgot a decimal.... I'd tend to believe Don made a simple typo over what's written on the stock of that rifle. That is somewhat plausible.
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Unlike the Captain , Don can straighten it out .
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I hope Big Drift can find some evidence of this in the AA reports. I'd like to be wrong on this. I will take this opportunity to introduce Conspiracy #2. Don is really boss lady and is trying to sucker one of us into buying a phony rifle.
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Let's see if he offers a layaway plan before we jump to conclusions.
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Let's see if he offers a layaway plan before we jump to conclusions. If she doesn't offer layaway there's no doubt she'd offer to have us come to her so she could kick our azz.
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Capt. F. T Aylward was my father. You have my father's rifle. May I ask how you acquired it? Would it be possible for me to aquire it from you. Sincerely, "The Colonel's Daughter" PS. Daddy is now at Arlington Cemetery, buried with full military honors on a very cold day in February 1987. HOLY CRAP. We need to buy this rifle from Loggah and get it to this soldier's kin, if this is for real. I'm good for a check. WOW.
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That's an honorable impulse and one which I share.However , the lady's first question needs an answer as well as far as I'm concerned.
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HOLY CRAP.
We need to buy this rifle from Loggah and get it to this soldier's kin, if this is for real. I'm good for a check.
WOW.
That is exactly what I was thinking but I am not in any position to help. I am glad you brought it up.
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That's an honorable impulse and one which I share.However , the lady's first question needs an answer as well as far as I'm concerned. That goes without saying. Working where I do (downtown Boston), I see dozens of hustles getting played out in a week's time. I was being literal when I said, 'if this is for real'. I was born at night, friend, but not last night. Heck, I spent a whole day checking out all the Nigerian diamond and gold mine folks real good before giving them my bank info... We'll see, but something doesn't feel quite right already. At all. Hope I'm wrong.
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The daughter is at least 65 years of age...father being a WWII veteran, DATE OF BIRTH: 03/24/1918, and perhaps not at the keyboard all the time I have a feeling the good Captain could have possibly been a field artillery commander and took care of the snipers in that capacity
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All I can say is those were the two 'unluckiest' snipers in the world!!
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This is the best thread we have had at the fire in as long as I have been here. Guns, history, honor, shots fired.......all without politics and name calling. I am quote interested in hearing the whole story.
I would not buy something that runs on any kind of primer given the possibility of primer shortages and even regulations. In fact, why not buy a flintlock? Really. Rocks aren't going away anytime soon.
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Shut up , you Obama lovin' yankee . [feel more at home , now ?]
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Just wondering, where did you come across the rifle? Can't imagine a family letting go of it?
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All I can say is those were the two 'unluckiest' snipers in the world!! lmao
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