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All of the purely NOSTALGIC pre 64 drivel is pretty funny considering the LAST custom rifle O'Connor commissioned before his death was a .280 RUGER m77.
So much for the superiority of the pre-64 Winchester- even in Mr O'Connor's eyes.. Jim, the 280 Ruger was a gift from Bill Ruger.....as you know, he and JOC were fast old friends. I doubt JOC was gonna turn it down. He sent it to Biesen to be remodeled and stocked....he died before it was finished. My humble apologies for the drivel and the nostalgia..... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Ringworm: I am pretty sure he would look into the Dakota Model 76 Alpine Deluxe in caliber 270 Winchester.
This pre-64 Model 70 clone is available with case hardening and a host of custom deluxe features as options - the wood stock is beautiful and familiar.
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What you say is true. However, you must remember that at the time he commissioned the custom Ruger, the Winchester Model 70 was a push-feed rifle with little to commend it. I suspect that Jack would develop a fondness for the currently made Classic Model 70.
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...the LAST custom rifle O'Connor commissioned before his death was a .280 RUGER m77... Jim, the 280 Ruger was a gift from Bill Ruger...he died before it was finished... He HAD to accept it because it was a gift. And he wouldn't have done it except for being old, senile and near death, anyway. 
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M70 super grade in .270 Winchester of course.
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I think I couldn't give a [bleep] less what Jack O would use. Didn't care then either. +1 on Steelhead's post Coudlnt give a toss to what JOC used then or now..... I would like to think how many head of game the old military surplus rifles have shot over the years...................just goes to prove you dont need some fancy rifle or some gun writer flying the flag of some rifle manufacturer to shoot game!!! Gus
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I don't see many threads on here entitled..."Problems With My Pre 64 M70".  I hope not, they've had almost 50 years to get them fixed!
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All of the purely NOSTALGIC pre 64 drivel is pretty funny considering the LAST custom rifle O'Connor commissioned before his death was a .280 RUGER m77.
So much for the superiority of the pre-64 Winchester- even in Mr O'Connor's eyes.. Jim, the 280 Ruger was a gift from Bill Ruger.....as you know, he and JOC were fast old friends. I doubt JOC was gonna turn it down. He sent it to Biesen to be remodeled and stocked....he died before it was finished. My humble apologies for the drivel and the nostalgia..... And how many Winchester m70s did Winchester GIVE O'Connor in the 1950s free of charge? I bet EVERY one of them.
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jim62.
What you say is true. However, you must remember that at the time he commissioned the custom Ruger, the Winchester Model 70 was a push-feed rifle with little to commend it. I suspect that Jack would develop a fondness for the currently made Classic Model 70.
TT Tom. Please do not mistake my posts here. The "Koolaid" drinkers I refer to are the "pre 64 m70s "or bust crowd". I have no issues with any of the Current M70s.
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If Jack O'Connor was rifle shopping today he'd be not quite 110 years old, and would probably want something a little lighter than an 8-pound .270.
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Truthfully, to Bob and everyone else here..
I believe if O'Connor was alive right now, he would -
1) be astounded by all the high quality, lightweight and accurate bolt guns available today.
2) Probably choose a French Walnut stocked Select grade Kimber m84L with French walnut in..
.270 Winchester because with today's bullets its even better than it was in his hey day.
Besides, I think he would continue to shoot the .270 just to annoy the 7mm sluts..
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If Jack O'Connor was rifle shopping today he'd be not quite 110 years old, and would probably want something a little lighter than an 8-pound .270. Goof-ball... 
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And how many Winchester m70s did Winchester GIVE O'Connor in the 1950s free of charge?
I bet EVERY one of them.
You lose again.....I have no idea how many Winchester gave him.Call Winchester and find out....but his second favorite 270 #2 was purchased new from Erb Hardware in Lewiston, Idaho in 1959;sent to Al Biesen to be reworked and restocked.Feel free to look it up.He wrote of this more than once. This thread was not about how you feel about Pre 64 M70 fans (Pre 64 or Bust)You can start your own thread on that subject if you care to.......it was about every one's guess as to what he would choose today.Your guess is as good as mine.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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[quote=BobinNH] This thread was not about how you feel about Pre 64 M70 fans (Pre 64 or Bust)You can start your own thread on that subject if you care to.......it was about every one's guess as to what he would choose today.Your guess is as good as mine. /quote] OK, Mr self anointed Thread Moderator... Please see my previous post above. And you are right about one thing, my guess IS every bit as good as yours. 
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One thing for certain, his writings are responsible for the survival of the .270 Winchester. The Mod 70 may, or may not, have made it without him.
Here's a typical Jack O'Connor passage, probably the one he is most famous for...
"When the rifle cracked, the buck turned over clear over in the air, and hit like a bag of potatoes.
"Whoopee!" said Zefarino. "That's the kind of rifle I like, one that has power. One shot and the buck doesn't move. How do you call it?"
"The .270," I said.
"The same one you shoot the ram with, no?"
"The same."
"With the .30 you shot a buck and it ran. Then the smaller boy shoots a buck with the .25 and it ran. Now the large boy shoots a buck with this rifle and it is dead in its tracks. How good a rifle, this .270!"
"It shoots a good ball," I said, "--a very fast ball."
"Like the lightning!" said Zefarino."
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