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Here's what's possible from a non-custom Husky actioned, Hart Barrelled and McMillan stocked 06. Not saying this is typical accuracy. Yes, that's 5 shots there.

Confidence is a great reason to spend more money on a rifle. I had a custom pre-64 70 that shot great one of the most accuarte rifles i have ever owned. Over two season's i made several bad shots and done a little missing. Lost confidence is the gun, had to sender down the road. I killed several boone goats w/it and several 50 class whitetails. I would have never trusted it again. I guess the main thing is a guy doesnt have to spend 1000.00+ on a custom action to get good accuarcy

How many of those custom Rem clone actions do you own that have one piece bolt assemblies...?


As far as I can determine, they all have braised on bolt handles just like the Remington.

Defiance and surgeon have 1 pc handles as do Bordens more expensive Rimrock actions the rest are brazed on handles.

Guessing tho that the guy doing the work has a touch more attention to detail and there's a larger emphasis on a quality outcome versus production number/crank out.

That's good to know.

I was pretty shocked to find out the the McMillan G30 actions for example had brazed on handles.

Just thinking that the most likely cause of Remington bolt handle issues is not necessarily HOW they're put on but HOW WELL it's done.

Those other custom manufacturers charge a premium price and for that you get a stricter attention to detail. Most likely done by a smaller group of guys who aren't tasked with doing 200 of them a day to a "good enough" standard but doing 20 and all of those need to be perfect/right.

But it could be I'm projecting my own sense of perfection/work ethic on a custom mfg. Dunno. Just saying that at first blush - I'd chalk up the lower numbers of custom action failures, even tho they use the same technique to better execution of said technique.

Whats the number of custom actions combined out there in the field vs Remington 700's ?

be careful because once you have one you want more. mine with integral rail built in is one tank of an action. I can't imagine anything being more stiff than that action.

Imagine a Surgeon!

The newer Stiller Predators now have one piece bolts.

John

I bought a BAT HR today. I don't care that the bolt is soldered on. I expect it to be a superior job of soldering. I've never heard of a problem with their bolt handles, but I have read quite a few qualified opinions stating they are the finest action built.

No doubt about 700s - shoot well when properly assembled, owned many re-barreled, they all shot well.

But, after my 338/06 handle Literally fell off after returning from a Colorado Elk hunt, on the 1st shot at the range, that did it for me.

Sorry, and I won't tell anyone who HAS confidence in their Rem to get rid of it, MOST do fine...but as Teal said above, a custom mfg. simply puts more time and work into getting everything right, just as a custom bbl mfg. does....

No doubt MANY/MOST factory actions and bbls w/tupperware or walnut will get the job done.

Personally, if I seek a new production rifle for serious use, a Howa/Vanguard or Sako will allow me to forget about the potential bolt handle failure.

IF one has a Rem and wants to GUARANTEE they won't have their bolt handle fail as they do on rare occasion, PT&G can replace it and it might be cheap 'insurance' if you are going on an expensive hunt and/or a dangerous game hunt. Just a thought.

But, use whatever you have that is accurate to your expectations and reliable will serve you well.

Those Husky actions are SLICKKKKK, RD - I nearly bought an HVA S&W Mannlicher '06 for re-barrel, could not put it down! And true, all mass produced rifles are not immune to Murphy's Law...

But, OF all, I think the pre-garcia Sako's are the one that I have NEVER heard of ANY failure of any kind...not that there were none, mine did well in all regards. I am sure 95% of other rifle owners of other brands have had good service.

Good hunting to all, enjoy using whatever your choice is, and Merry Christmas to all!

I think pacific tool makes a aftermarket one piece bolt.

Yes, that's Pacific Tool and Gauge above, unless there is another outfit PT?

http://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/products/parts/remington.htm#bolts

Pierce are TIG welded which isnt the same as silver brazed

TIG (Tungsten Inert Gas)

In TIG welding, a tungsten electrode heats the metal you are welding and gas (most commonly Argon) protects the weld puddle from airborne contaminants. TIG welding produces clean, precise welds on any metal.

TIG welding uses a non-consumable tungsten

Filler metal, when required, is added by hand

Shielding gas protects the weld and tungsten

Produces high quality, clean welds

Welds more metals than any other process


Brazing is a metal-joining process whereby a filler metal is heated above and distributed between two or more close-fitting parts by capillary action. The filler metal is brought slightly above its melting (liquidus) temperature while protected by a suitable atmosphere, usually a flux. It then flows over the base metal (known as wetting) and is then cooled to join the workpieces together. It is similar to soldering, except the temperatures used to melt the filler metal are above 450 �C (842 �F).

All those processes are unnecessary if you send your bolt out to Lee24 Precession Riflesmithing like I did for his 700 bolt fix package. Process, which is proprietary in nature, includes removal of old handle and reattachment and is double sleeved. Price, which includes return shipping, $1800..... (bolt fluting and Sako extractor mod are extra).

Imagine a Surgeon! [/quote] Ackleyfan , are you saying the Surgeon feels as rock solid as a BAT ? I've felt a few BATs and am asking a serious question .Can you elaborate a bit on a comparison ? As concerns Bolt handles , I remember an old friend of mine who was a Gunsmith in Michigan for over 30 years . He bought one of the earliest Coopers , dropped it and off came the handle . I was really shocked , but it did'nt seem to bother him much . This was strictly a Varmint Rifle ...no Big Game trophies involved . He had some discussions with Cooper and they changed their method of attachment at exactly this time , but I can't remember from-what-to-what , but I think it was to some form of welding . My friend never had anymore problems , but he never dropped that Rifle again . He did mention that he had seen a few Remington 700s that had that problem when he was a Gunsmith .

Ackleyfan , are you saying the Surgeon feels as rock solid as a BAT ? I've felt a few BATs and am asking a serious question .Can you elaborate a bit on a comparison ? As concerns Bolt handles , I remember an old friend of mine who was a Gunsmith in Michigan for over 30 years . He bought one of the earliest Coopers , dropped it and off came the handle . I was really shocked , but it did'nt seem to bother him much . This was strictly a Varmint Rifle ...no Big Game trophies involved . He had some discussions with Cooper and they changed their method of attachment at exactly this time , but I can't remember from-what-to-what , but I think it was to some form of welding . My friend never had anymore problems , but he never dropped that Rifle again . He did mention that he had seen a few Remington 700s that had that problem when he was a Gunsmith . [/quote]

A surgeon 591 is as stiff or stiffer than a Bat VRPIC in rigidity, but a surgeon will never feel as nice as a bat, the bolt to race way tolerences and fit and finish are two different worlds!