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Weird...but stranger things have happened...try a 50 Gr TTSX......or a 45 gr TSX...
I had a similar experience with 60 NPTs
55 gr TBBCs always shot pretty good for me too.. I love you Tom, but you really need to come out of the clouds. Things are different at different elevations and weather conditions. A 1-14" is still minimally stabilized and sometimes not, at sea level etc.
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I love you too Scott...and you may have a point...Ive never shot a .22-250 at anything near sea level.... In fact JB recently noticed an anomaly in some of our results on a similar vein and asked about the range I shoot at...it was 6000 feet...where he shoots is closer to 3500 feet. I forget what exactly it was, but we weren't getting the same results.... I have been told that I too am only minimally stabilized....
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I'm looking at a rebarrel also. My 1 in 14 wont shoot the types of bullets I want accuratly. My only issue is that my rifle is a Browning. There's more than enough mag length,but I'm hung upon whether i should improve it or not.
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any thing would be an "improvment" over a Browning I'd sell it as is (a complete rifle),pick up a 700 action and have it barreled with a 1:8 and I'd AI it
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+1
And I think ingwe and his lover should get a room.....
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Jealous???
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Think I'll probably keep it as is and start working on a 223AI.
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True dat..and with a 55 TTSX, you can kill anything... I guess I can see a fast twist .22-250 for it's versatility with heavier bullets, but IMHO, I think the .22-250 should be left to the lighter bullets. As you pointed out, one can be quite versatile just with bullet choice. To me, fast twisting the .22-250 for heavy bullets is trying to squeeze 6mm performance out of a .224. I like to let the .224's do their thing and for 6mm, I have a .244 and a .240 Wby. A fast twist .224 just can't keep up with what those two can do with 60-85 gr. bullets. Just my $.02. Everyone, of course, has the right to do his own thing, even if it doesn't make a lotta sense... DF
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Jealous??? Hardly...
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Jealous??? Hardly... Then it must be denial....
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True dat..and with a 55 TTSX, you can kill anything... I guess I can see a fast twist .22-250 for it's versatility with heavier bullets, but IMHO, I think the .22-250 should be left to the lighter bullets. As you pointed out, one can be quite versatile just with bullet choice. To me, fast twisting the .22-250 for heavy bullets is trying to squeeze 6mm performance out of a .224. I like to let the .224's do their thing and for 6mm, I have a .244 and a .240 Wby. A fast twist .224 just can't keep up with what those two can do with 60-85 gr. bullets. Just my $.02. Everyone, of course, has the right to do his own thing, even if it doesn't make a lotta sense... DF owning a fast twist 22.250, I think their is a lot of credence to what D/Farmer is saying... I love the thing, but its 'superiority' over a 243 is really non existent... it is a step up from a 223 with a fast twist...by up to 400 fps... but when compared to a 243, with the same bullet weights, not really... please most heavier bullets are all match bullets...not hunting bullets...
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Regarding Barnes, while they SHOULD stabilize, in my gun they didn't. 1-14" twist, 53 grain TSX, every damn one of 'em keyholed at 100 yards and the groups were over 5 inches.
So ... if they work out for you, GREAT. "good on ya!" but that doesn't mean they'll work for everyone else.
I couldn't get the 60 grain partition to shoot much better. They didn't keyhole, but the groups were around 3-1/2 inches.
Best I could do with a hunting bullet was with the 55 grain Trophy Bonded flat base, around MOA.
That gun, with 50 grain TNTs and 50 grain SXes, shot in the .2s 'til I torched the throat and the jackets started failing, so it sure wasn't a gun that wouldn't shoot.
Tom Ditto-- My converted Fireball to .223AI LVSF with the 1:14"tw wouldn't shoot the Barnes 53 TSX's at all. They were still straight at 100 yds, but they wouldnt stay on a 8.5"x11" sheet of paper. My loads with 52 gr AMAXs would shoot 5 touching at 100 and group around 1.5" at 300...
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I do alot of shooting past 300 yards in a very windy state and it is really tuff to beat a fast twist barrel with 69 grain or heavier bullets.1 in 8 twist. Drop can be accurately accounted for, wind can not.
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I've rebarreled 4 Marlin XS-7 to 22-250, using the 22" Stevens 200 223 barrels, as they are the least expensive 1-9" option that I could find. All 4 rifle shoot very good groups and have accounted for 7 whitetails over the past 2 years, 2 by me in 2010.
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I have an original Browning Safari grade .22-250 with a 1:14 HB, bought when the Varminter round was still a wildcat; it has the same highly accurate Sako barrel because I don't play range games with it. It's a walking varmint rifle for 50-55 gr bullets, it's not a deer or moose rifle. I have other, much better, rifles for that.
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Cool!
Not everyone is a fan of shooting game with .224" diameter bullets and, even when the advancements in bullet technology over the past 30 years are considered, some are not sufficiently skilled to make them an ethical choice.
OTOH, many folks have come to the understanding the bullet construction and placement are almost always significantly more important components to the successful taking of game than are bore diameter and velocity. MOA = My Own Ability, if everybody honestly acknowledged the limits of their own ability, there would likely be less wounded and/or lost game out there. But, all game animals eventually die and those that are wounded and lost still fulfill their primary mission in life, to be eaten by predators and scavengers and to have whatever remains fertilize the earth and/or water. The whole circle of life thing don't you know.
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