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Mil. installations are the same with shotguns, archery, muzzleloaders. Campbell used to allow rifles in certain areas on the long weekends during deer season, do they not allow that anymore? I left there in '99, but they used to do that.
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Politicians are seldom woodsmen and G&F officials are seldom ballistics experts. Truth confuses them and they much prefer a hot cup of dogma.
Other side of the coin is that 30 years of shooting hogs and deer with rifles, shotguns and handguns, there wasn't a one I could not have taken with a shotgun, and most could have fallen to a handgun. Still prefer rifles for deer though.
My opinion FWIW, since the advent of inline muzzle loaders and sabot slugs, the distinction between shotguns, MLs and rifles is very fuzzy from a regulatory perspective in most states. Don't even know why they bother anymore.
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Mil. installations are the same with shotguns, archery, muzzleloaders. Campbell used to allow rifles in certain areas on the long weekends during deer season, do they not allow that anymore? I left there in '99, but they used to do that. i have hunted campbell since 1992 naw they dont anymore man and it friggin sucks the hunting and fishing unit is run by morons now literally the garrison commander listens to them i left in 98 and came back in 01 after sept 11th you couldnt hunt with a center fire rifle anymore but noone yet has been able to explain to me the difference bewtween taking a 150-200 yard shot witha modern day inline and the same shot with a center fire it was someone enacting a petpeeve the typical dumba$$ good idea fairy most of the rifle areas also was around the north and south impact areas only and west of palmyra road dont matter to me know anyways i cant get into those areas unless some miracle happens aint got the 0800 call in time no more 41,40,42a,42b i took alot of nice bucks out of those areas for sure but i also know alot of areas just as good now that your average ftcky fire break hunter wont go into also helps that forrrestry aint cut or cleaned up any firebreak on the west side of the north impact in over 4 -5 years so that deters elmer fudds from going into places also hidden glow tack trails are the way to go in alot of places i hunt 50 44a 09b 21 places 90% of hunters on that post wont walk too or make the effort to scout and learn the ground
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i hunt post with a 50 cal tc renegade
if i could get a cva kodiak promag in 45
i would use that also
if i had the funds to get a savage smokeless i would use one of those
my middle daughter hunted with me for a couple of years
i got her a 20 ga ultra slug hunter
did i few mods to it
shot the hasting lasar accurate slugs out of it when i used after she gave up hunting
she used the hornady 250 gr sst 20 ga load
with those hastings slugs it was a 2 inch gun all day long at 100 yards
i shot 1 buck in area 42b before i sold it with a hasting slug
dirt roll him in tracks
i shot a real nice buck in area 50 with those hornady slugs the year prior to that
that deer rose like the under taker from grave after about 15 minutes of being down and after about 5 minutes of it not breathing it seemed like to me
i should have put a round into its brisket and chest area when it was down
but for dumb reason i was worried about meat damage of all things.........
bad mistake
3rd deer i ever lost in my life
not a drop of blood on the ground side of its chest where i watched it lay down
didnt even get a punch thru on it at 45-50 yards
i think the round only one lunged him honestly
stayed out till sundown ttracking the thing, went back for 3 days
looking for buzzards
birds
ravens yotes
whatever might find it dead
never found the deer
sickening feeling
probably lived
who knows
i honestly blame it on bullet performance of that 20 ga sst round
had no shocking power behind
i would not reccomend those rounds to anyone
the hastings rounds and the rem copper solids are ones i have used with great results with hitting power wise and accuracy when using a slug gun
i have also heard some good things about brenneke slugs from people that use them
but then again
things i shoot with my tc renegade go down also
but i have also had deer out their at 125 -150
yards i wont take a shot at with it out of a sense of decency to the animal
it is basically a 100 yardish gun
but it is accurate as heck
so that is why im thinking scoped modern inline to get that extra distance in some of the places i hunt on ftcky
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Gentlemen, Gentlemen!
You are arguing about regulations decided upon by bureaucrats in government agencies. Please do not expect anything approaching reason, science and mathematics, or common sense to be utilized in their formulation.
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No-one has provided scientific data to support the contention that shotguns are less risky than center-fire rifles.
The study I linked to earlier includes reason, science, and mathematics in support of that statement. Pretty much puts the argument to bed.
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A 2007 study by Pennsylvania's Legislative Budget and Finance Committee did a study called "Do Shotguns and Muzzleloaders Pose Less Risk Than Centerfire Rifles for Hunting Deer in Pennsylvania?" Excellent way to spend tax dollars. That study was very excellant to real world. It was conducted by the DOD DARPA organization and compared the new plastic tip shotgun sabot/muzzleloading round to the standard 30'06 "lead tip" bullet and found that the plastic sabot from a muzzle loader or shotgun went further with ricochets than the lead tip 30'06. good study, but kind of skewed in one aspect. Any lead tip (rifle, shotgun or muzzleloader) will deform more than the plastic tips, but shows the inherent imporovement in rounds for shotguns and muzzleloaders have outdistanced old schools of thought and understanding of bullet ricochets of various projectiles.
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shot the hasting lasar accurate slugs out of it when i used after she gave up hunting
she used the hornady 250 gr sst 20 ga load
i think the round only one lunged him honestly
i honestly blame it on bullet performance of that 20 ga sst round
had no shocking power behind
Interesting, I would blame it on poor shot placement! You could have used a 10 gauge and would not have mattered. I have killed deer with that very same round in my TC Encore to 186 yards and complete pass throughs and wide blood trails if they even run off. I also have a HR 20 gauge slug hunter that performs the same way, so cannot be the gun either.
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It's illeagal to hunt DEER with a rifle in Ohio.
And un- needed.
It's not Wyoming. Ohio farmlands are flat. Except for the SE 1/3 of the state.
In the NW the highest elevation you'll find is a freeway ramp!
Shoot a 30-06 there and you'll hit a house in Indiana.
Even before gun makers decided to help. Our shotguns were plenty for deer.
I put a mid barrel bead on my favorite J. C. Higgins pump and could hold slugs on a paper plate all day at 75 yards.
Now? we''ve got scopes and rifled tubes.. 150 yards ? no problem.
No grizzels or tigers unless some nut decides to let them loose!
Sorry, but that is pure stupidity. Flat land is no more dangerous than hunting hills. Florida has 25% more population density than Ohio and we don't have any issue. Our rifle season is also MUCH longer than your shotgun season. I hunt Florida and Tennessee, one flat as a pancake and the other mountainous and hilly. I have to be cognizant of my shot background much more in Tennessee than Florida, as you're much more likely to have a shot that rises in elevation to the target or where you cannot see what lies behind the target. On flat land, you can see your backdrop and unless you're sitting in a hole and the deer is taking a nap in your tree stand, only a retard is going to have a shot that travels beyond the line of sight. If you hunt Florida and Tenn.... worry about those states Ohioans are fine with shotguns. Muzzelloaders and bows. If you want long range mountain hunting... go west. I see no one from Ohio biatchin for a rifle.
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only a retard is going to have a shot that travels beyond the line of sight. Not a bad description of many a deer hunter. That's true, but theoretically the dumbass factor should be roughly equivalant state to state. The point being that dumbasses can do a lot more damage here than in some states - for instance Florida with it's dense vegetation vs IA with it bare dirt.
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i hunt post with a 50 cal tc renegade
if i could get a cva kodiak promag in 45
i would use that also
if i had the funds to get a savage smokeless i would use one of those
my middle daughter hunted with me for a couple of years
i got her a 20 ga ultra slug hunter
did i few mods to it
shot the hasting lasar accurate slugs out of it when i used after she gave up hunting
she used the hornady 250 gr sst 20 ga load
with those hastings slugs it was a 2 inch gun all day long at 100 yards
i shot 1 buck in area 42b before i sold it with a hasting slug
dirt roll him in tracks
i shot a real nice buck in area 50 with those hornady slugs the year prior to that
that deer rose like the under taker from grave after about 15 minutes of being down and after about 5 minutes of it not breathing it seemed like to me
i should have put a round into its brisket and chest area when it was down
but for dumb reason i was worried about meat damage of all things.........
bad mistake
3rd deer i ever lost in my life
not a drop of blood on the ground side of its chest where i watched it lay down
didnt even get a punch thru on it at 45-50 yards
i think the round only one lunged him honestly
stayed out till sundown ttracking the thing, went back for 3 days
looking for buzzards
birds
ravens yotes
whatever might find it dead
never found the deer
sickening feeling
probably lived
who knows
i honestly blame it on bullet performance of that 20 ga sst round
had no shocking power behind
i would not reccomend those rounds to anyone
the hastings rounds and the rem copper solids are ones i have used with great results with hitting power wise and accuracy when using a slug gun
i have also heard some good things about brenneke slugs from people that use them
but then again
things i shoot with my tc renegade go down also
but i have also had deer out their at 125 -150
yards i wont take a shot at with it out of a sense of decency to the animal
it is basically a 100 yardish gun
but it is accurate as heck
so that is why im thinking scoped modern inline to get that extra distance in some of the places i hunt on ftcky Shot placement and very poor at that rather than bullet failure. Had you put a 20 through vitals that deer would have been dead. Odds are you hit forward and high, and stunned the deer and never touched vitals at all. Lots of folks don't have a CLUE about where vitals REALLY are located. And thats a shame. I saw it every time I taught hunter ed, one thing was we had a deer, and vitals and bones cut out. It took a LONG time to get it all lined out right...
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The study I linked to earlier includes reason, science, and mathematics in support of that statement. Pretty much puts the argument to bed.
Most of it is "screw-the-other-guy" crap made up by Fudds. For instance, I present the Illinois 3-shot capacity limit. About the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Most of it is "screw-the-other-guy" crap made up by Fudds. For instance, I present the Illinois 3-shot capacity limit. About the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Sounds good to me. Make mandatory singleshots for all I care
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In Indian they say our population per square mile but I got it figured out....I use a rifle. A legal rifle...that is.  ^^^TROLL!!
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Most of it is "screw-the-other-guy" crap made up by Fudds. For instance, I present the Illinois 3-shot capacity limit. About the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Sounds good to me. Make mandatory singleshots for all I care I agree on the mandatory single shots. But I want them as archery, not as a firearm, mandatory archery only works for me...
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In Indian they say our population per square mile... Do they employ code talkers to spread the word? 
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Part of Michigan is shotgun only for deer hunting, and has been since about the 1920's. One can legally hunt cottontails there with a .30'06, but not deer. No, it doesn't make sense, but I also don't hear much talk about hunters wanting to change it. I live about 7 hours drive from the shotgun zone, so maybe that is why I don't hear much discussion about it.
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Most of it is "screw-the-other-guy" crap made up by Fudds. For instance, I present the Illinois 3-shot capacity limit. About the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Sounds good to me. Make mandatory singleshots for all I care Is this supposed to shock me? Coming from an 0bama voter... 
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shot the hasting lasar accurate slugs out of it when i used after she gave up hunting
she used the hornady 250 gr sst 20 ga load
i think the round only one lunged him honestly
i honestly blame it on bullet performance of that 20 ga sst round
had no shocking power behind
Interesting, I would blame it on poor shot placement! You could have used a 10 gauge and would not have mattered. I have killed deer with that very same round in my TC Encore to 186 yards and complete pass throughs and wide blood trails if they even run off. I also have a HR 20 gauge slug hunter that performs the same way, so cannot be the gun either. hmmmmmm poor shot placement was you looking over my shoulder hit him right behind the shoulder and beleive it or not you was not their just saying
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