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And what is this based on?

Looks?

Or making it more useful for less than perfect eyesight?

How many DR's do you or have you owned?

Yes; based on looks, tradition and the fact that you don't need a telescopic sight on a gun designed to shoot at the relatively close ranges doubles are meant for.

How many doubles? None. But if I did it wouldn't have a scope but no need to fret excessively because you're welcome to have one on yours. You can even paint your car with a paintbrush if you like. It's all personal preference.

What's the matter with having the rifle become more than a short range rifle?

Eyesight!


Slap a scope on them and you'd be surprised how good they are!

Well, the original notion was a matched pair of VC's, a 300H&H and a 450/400NE 3". The scope would perhaps have been on the 300.But, they won't do it. Apparently the 300H&H could have extraction problems. Corporate structure thinking I guess. They chamber their hammer gun in 7mag and 300Win mag.

If this is your first one, I'd suggest getting a Chapuis 9.3X74R from Dale Nygaard. http://www.heirloomarmes.com/)(It's almost up to a 375 Flanged for power and a great all around cartridge. They do make other claibers too.
Chapuis makes a fine rifle. Nygaard is cheaper and as fast or faster for delivery. Chapuis will regulate the rifle with a QD swing off scope mount. Others don't. A local buddy here shot a moose at 286yds. Lazered too. These aren't short range rifles.
Mine wasn't my first DR but it's one of my best!


Edit; I just looked and they also build the 300H&H as well as the 375H&H..

I think I will check out Krieghoff, they are a bit more than a VC, but, they do regulate their guns at up to 100yds, and offer the same options pretty much. See how that turns out.I thought about the 9.3x74r, but, I have the 450/400 and a 300H&H and a 338Wm, so, I think I will check out a 7x65R. It would likely make a nice option to my 7-08. The Classic has some interesting features and nice lines. Other option might be a Searcy, that is gettin' up there though on the base price gun. Then after this one is done, I will get into something like a 450-400 or a 375Flanged, likely the 450-400 as I have all the stuff for it.

They may regualte them at 100 yds but the regulation shouldnt be different at 50 yds either.
FYI I really like my Searcy 450.

$3500? $4000? Good lord, I don't know where you been looking but the last time I checked Searcy charged $595 to build in the mount at the time you ordered the rifle and he supplies the Talley QR rings that fit. I had this done on my 450 NE and the design is clean and well hidden. Never added a scope to this rifle yet but talked to Butch at SCI about possible regulation issues once the scope goes on and he told me in his experience it should shoot the same.

AkMike already mentioned Dale Nygaard and his advice is sound. NO ONE beats Dale's prices or ordering terms or his service. Chapuis UGEX rifles come with built in scope base cuts. I think the ring system is like $300 or so. Chapuis will also regulate your rifle with a scope on at 100 yards if you like. I better any builder would if you asked them to when you ordered the rifle.

Then you have the Heym PH rifles. They are built with a cut in the rail (for no extra fee) that allows you to add a red dot sight without altering anything.

Don't pay any attention to some of these guys trying to talk you out of mounting a scope. It might not look as classic but it can add another demension to your "short range" rifle.

I am currently waiting for my Chapuis UGEX in Blaser 30R to be delivered. Ballistics about 100 fps less than a .300 Win Mag. I have every intention to put a scope or red dot sight on the rifle within a year or so.

VC wants 2094.00 & mounts to install and sight in without the scope.
S&B 1-6z42 is 2000.00, Z6 is about the same. In actual fact the VC XA model comes out to about 13,5 or so set up that way.

I looked into 30Blaser as an alternative to the 300H&H, I get the impression it is something in the vein of a takeoff of the flanged 300H&H??

By the way---what is a 375RVC altogether, something different or a fancy name for the 375flanged?

Not a lot of info around on either one.

Any input on these?

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/DblRifle.html

Price seems more reasonable if they shoot well.

No experience with them, but from the pictures on the web site, the front sight on the DR looks a little out of proportion. JMHO.

I noticed the 'cut' on one of the rifles on Heym's web site. Looks more like and opening for a turn-in dovetail. Any additional info on this 'cut'.

The English made a few nice SxS doubles for use with scopes but very few.
As many have posted here, they somehow look out of place on heavy doubles
At least on SxS doubles - but they work fine on O&U's if you can come to grips with them. Plus they are easier and cheaper to mount on an O&U

Kind of like a supermodel in a Moo moo dress, they don't look good until you take it off ...

The Clark guns are a Huhlu SG conversion. The SG's don't have a stellar rep but Mr Cark does.
IMO at that price point there are other options. Chapuis being my first choice.

The O/U's are definitely cheaper than the SXS's,but. I can't quite wrap my mind aeound them. That pesky bug says it has to be a SXS.
I have a couple of CZ shotguns, apparently made by Huglu, no issues with them so far, but neither one has 200rds on them yet.
The Heym 88B is a nice unit, but it's getting up there, see they seem to be in the 17 & up range, I sort of set my boundary at 15 and am trying to stay under the 25 range for the two of them.
Apparently Searcy started out on building his on the Browning/SKB SXS's, he seems to have done well by them. I see there is an -06 at G&H (?) in the 8-9 range. Looks decent.

Bascially your correct. It is supposed to drive a 180 grain bullet 2,800-2,850. But much of the speed depends on the individual rifle regulation. You can buy new brass at Huntingtons or Dale Nygaard sells once fired.

If you want to keep your cost under 25K for two rifles that is pretty easy. Buy a Chapuis UGEX, add the ring system and a nice scope, $6K tops. Then pick a bigger rifle from either the same or different builder. Easy to stay within $15K for the larger one for everything if you go with another Chapuis or Searcy or Verney Carron.

Visit the double rifle section on the AR forum for better advice.

Don't know what to say other than this "cut" allows you to mount a Doctor red dot sight. Clamps on, pretty easy and sturdy. Email Heym if you still have questions. Chris will answer you right away.

+4 - I think doubles look ridiculous with scopes or red dots.