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Yes? Yes what?

I agree, but somebody lying to Congress to extort even more money from us is going in the wrong direction as to turning the economy around.

Actually the economy has been getting more and more "fixed" all the time, what with "Free" Trade and stuff like not having to be able to take physical possession of the oil and whatnot. Just sayin'...

She could start her own university...named after herself.

Why would it not?

If you can't afford to buy Birth Control Pill then date someone who will bring his own rubber and not put it on her dime

Is this her entire testimony? If so, based on the comments here, and by Rush, I bet NONE of you actually listened to it. Every word in that 11 minutes was hearsay, and anecdotal evidence about other people. If that's it, Rush Limbaugh was way off base and out of line, and so are most here when it comes to her personally, and the nature of her testimony.

280REm, Yes that poor women should have to pay for their own contraceptives.

The Republicans have stepped into a pile of dog chit and want to blame everybody else for having done so.

This was a non-issue until apparently, Limbaugh put his big foot into his mouth. Now the Republicans in their perpetual stupidity are turning this non-issue into the defining issue of the election or at least the Republicans on the Fire are.

I agree with that, just saying she alleges she uses the bc meds for ovarian cyst prevention. I do believe that she is shilling for BO position to require bc pills be provided free by insurers. I don't understand free deal when you & me pays for the bc med through higher premiums or co-pays.

You got it! A non-issue that the Republicans have made into a issue.

Then why can men get Viagra throught their medical insurance prescriptons?

Most law students simply rely on their personalities as a form of birth control.

Maybe I got distracted by something here at work while listening, but I didn't hear her say one word about herself, or what she uses. I definitely didn't hear her talking about her own sexuality or sexual practices. In fact one of the first things she said was she was there speaking for others.

That was hilarious!

Who cares who some woman named Sandra sleeps with? WTH is a matter with some of you people. To much Sally Jesse when you was little?

It would also put in to question the listening and comprehension skills of most the people making most of the comments in these threads about her and her testimony.

My daughter moved in with a guy who worked for the mayor of Los Angles. On one occation she went to the doctor and turned a claim in to his insurance. She was denied on the basis that she was not a he. She was told if Louie was gay his lover would be covered.

From the conservative Washington Examiner newspaper, here is the story of what she actually said (how many have read what she said?): see: acqua indiglo watch

Was there supposed to be a link?

Yeah, calling her a slut, and calling her sexual orientation in to issue after this testimony...dumb. Completely wrongheaded, and served, like derby dude said, to do nothing other than get her more face time to further her agenda, which may be as some have stated, an Obama plant, or may simply like her past, as a women's right advocate. I can't see insurance or government money paying for contraception for the sake of contraception, but I can see it when that medicine can prevent or lessen the effects of other health issues like the polycistic ovarian stuff she spoke about, which was the bulk of what she talked about.

Here is the transcript:

My name is Sandra Fluke, and I�m a third-year student at Georgetown Law School. I�m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. And I�d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them so much for being here today.

(Applause)

We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we�re so grateful that this regulation implements the non-partisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.

I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.

We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women.

Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic or Jesuit institutions.

When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.

And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.

And so, I�m here today to share their voices, and I want to thank you for allowing them � not me � to be heard.

Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that�s practically an entire summer�s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.

One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn�t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn�t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.

And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that�s just not true.

Women�s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.

How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?

These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.

In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.

A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown�s insurance because it�s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn�t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt�s amendment, Sen. Rubio�s bill or Rep. Fortenberry�s bill there�s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

When this exception does exist, these exceptions don�t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women�s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She�s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.

After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn�t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she�d been in the emergency room. She�d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, �It was so painful I�d woke up thinking I�ve been shot.�

Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.

On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor�s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.

Since last year�s surgery, she�s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She�s 32-years-old.

As she put it, �If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn�t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.�

Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age � increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis � she may never be able to conceive a child.

Some may say that my friend�s tragic story is rare. It�s not. I wish it were

One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but that can�t be proven without surgery. So the insurance has not been willing to cover her medication � the contraception she needs to treat her endometriosis.

Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she�s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.

Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown�s policy, she hasn�t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.

I sincerely pray that we don�t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman�s reproductive health care isn�t a necessity, isn�t a priority.

One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn�t covered on the insurance and she assumed that that�s how Georgetown�s insurance handle all of women�s reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn�t go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn�t going to cover something like that � something that was related to a woman�s reproductive health.

As one other student put it: �This policy communicates to female students that our school doesn�t understand our needs.�

These are not feelings that male fellow student experience and they�re not burdens that male students must shoulder.

In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?

We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.

We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of �cura personalis� � to care for the whole person � by meeting all of our medical needs.

We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.

We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for � completely unsubsidized by the university.

We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.

And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it�s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

Many of the women whose stories I�ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.

The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.

Thank you very much.

pat i don't think anything will be fixed till one side takes out the other, i just hope i'm still young enough to take the fight to them when we reach that tipping point.