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Good stuff Phil.

Phil, in all fairness, there ain't many out there who can hold a candle to your experience. You know waaaayyyy better than most exactly where to hold and shoot. You would be far more likely than any of us to keep your cool in a harsh spot with a bear and that is what makes a 30-06 plenty enough. I still question why hardcast bullets folks seem to like in 45/70's. Would any of you hunt a bear with a .458 Win Magnum solids??? I prefer to use a lead slug that will expand AND penetrate. After seeing my moose and my buffler dumped by 45 cal slugs at 30:1 at 1400 and the penetration WITH expansion (36" INCLUDING fir filled moose paunch) I wouldn't hesitate to use one of those.

I agree that large bore, hard cast lead bullets are still as effective as ever. I feel perfectly well armed with my Brn 86 45-70 stuffed with 430 gr buffalo Bore loads.

After reading all the advice...and talking to those mauled and charged...I think I will go with both (2 guys or more...) the Marlin SBL 45-70 w/Garrett's 540gr. Hammerhead load and dumbed down .458 hand loads.
( cThe consensus on most forums is that Garrett makes the best factory ammo for the 45-70).. I have been shown that hand load "down", the .458 WM to near the hot loads of the 45-70., and the lower MV w/heavy bullets produce deeper penetration... no need for full magnum .458 factory loads.

Sead once will say twice LEARN bear.

I wonder what Elmer Keith would say about the cast bullets available in loaded ammunition?His load for the 45-70 was IMR-3031 with a 405 grain cast...

He new some about bear hunting also and said this:

After well over 40 years of bear hunting,including 30 years of guiding bear hunters,I have come to expect the unexpected.Bears are individuals just like human animals.Some are good natured individuals,at least until wounded while others are old soreheads hunting for trouble all the time.Some will take a lot of punishment and still try to get away.Others will charge at the first sting of a slug,if it does not disable them.Still others,probably one in 50,will charge unprovoked and to the finish.

I have known over 25 men who have been mauled by bears and lived.Several of them were in very sorry shape for the rest of there lives.All were terribly scarred and disfigured for the rest of there lives.(One lives here in Salmon: Lee Bradley who was nearly killed by a little black bear-blacks,as a matter of fact killed three men in Alaska in one year.)

Jayco

Hey rummy! Still waiting for your address...

You have a PM..Let's rock...

Jayco

That's what I thought....

Rancho_Loco has removed themself from this topic.

A long with a gay wrestling photo.

Jayco

You're all over that gay wrestling site, aren't you?

Send me your address.. Some boys on there are going to be very interested.

"Sead"...what is that?
"LEARN bear"...what is this some kind of windtalker code, lol?

I sent you my e-mail address and want to keep it ,non public..Just e-mail me to start the ball rolling..That's all..By e-mail not a public forum and were on............

If you had a brain,and you don't,you could find my name/address and other things available to the public.

You are ruining this thread by your childish behavior..Shut up/be a man and let's keep it off the forum publicly ruining it for others...You started this here right now,now be a man and finish it.

Jayco

Its "kawi-speak"...


You'll learn to love it...

+1.

Just a little off topic but the Wolves here are eating all the bears...

This 180 lb Wolf(weighed by fish and game) was shot just North of here by a 19 year old from Coeurd'alene, and he was well fed.



Bears/Wolves/Cougars all pose a threat to hunters.....

Jayco

Wolves eating all the bears? 180 lbs wolves? Where do you get this info? FYI the heaviest live wolf ever weighed in this state was in the 135 lb range. I highly doubt any of them are gaining 50 lbs when they die.

This thread has gotten SO FAR off topic...?
Incomprehensible posts and personal squabbles that I have no idea what is going on...I guess as the OP, if no one has anything else to add about this topic, I will ask that it be closed?

TheTone

From the Coer d'Alene press.

Wolf Coeur d'Alene, Idaho hunter Brett Pitcher has been hunting wolves with his dad, Bob, in the St. Joe National Forest since the season started, and Monday he caught up with his first one. The 180-pound male fell to a single shot from Pitcher's 7mm Remington. Are the hunters concerned about receiving harassing e-mails and phone calls from Idaho wolf advocates? "We take those as compliments," said Bob. The Coeur d'Alene Press.

Just quoting what was written in the local paper in CDA.Nothing more or less.Killing the Bears in Idaho was in tongue and cheek only, except
My wife and I have seen one treed by Wolves who quickly scattered as we approached.

Jayco

Good morning Ron.