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[For What It�s Worth Department] Went out today and chronographed some new loads as it was up to 40 degrees, calm and overcast with minimal light on the target. Target is at 120 yards. (Don�t ask �why 120 yards�; it is just what my benchrest range is) Rifle was my Westley-Richards imitator(#3 Ruger), with the Ron Long barrel in .40-65 RL. Load was: R-P casings/210M primers/POPWad/53.0 grains on Swiss 1 � /.065 poly wad/ Ron Long 425 grain RN spitzer 20:1 @ 2.885"-OA. Had loaded 10 rounds, match quality to the best of my ability. (Note the target below) First two were foulers; they printed as the two high, as expected. 3-4-5-6- dropped into the group. 7- went to right. 8-9- dropped into the group. 10- (last shot) dropped low (with lowest velocity- 1167). Average Velocity was 1176 fps. Max velocity spread was 17 fps. Don�t know what SD was as I bumped the wires and reading dropped� Not too shabby for a Ron Long barrel and some �old eyes�? Would bet that the two that were �out� would have all been �in� with a better rifleman <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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Old eyes or not, looks like 'Minute of Something" to me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I'd take that afield on any day, good on ya!
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Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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What ...no disparaging remarks as of yet? (I expected a really BIG '$hitt-slide' in response to this post) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />
"SOCK-IT-TO-ME" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Sorry, let me regroup and try again....
IF I HAD A SHOTGUN THAT PATTERNED THAT BADLY I'D SELL IT TO DAN REAL QUICK!!!
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Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Sorry, let me regroup and try again....
IF I HAD A SHOTGUN THAT PATTERNED THAT BADLY I'D SELL IT TO DAN REAL QUICK!!! (good one!) ....NEXT!
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How about...
ITS A CRYIN' SHAME WHEN YOU GET THE DTs, HUH? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I have never fired this #3 in any match, but have no doubt that it would work very well on Silhouette. I went back in a BPCR publication and noted that a fellow named ODEN shoots a Miller in a Schuetzen match. Apparently he does very well at it... Can anyone fill me in on the 'F' class? I think it may be the 'unlimited', but do not know what it applies to; anyone <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" /> ??
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Idahjo, I am not sure what you are asking but if it pertains to using the #3 in silhouette it would not be allowed since it is not an original or a copy of a pre-1896 single shot. Silhouette also requires an external hammer. I am sure there are other disciplines that would allow it.
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No words of mine can hope to convey to you the ringing joy and hope embodied in that spontaneous yell: �The Americans are coming; at last they are coming!�
I hadn�t the heart to disillusion them.
John "Pondoro" Taylor Africa 1955
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Idahjo, I am not sure what you are asking but if it pertains to using the #3 in silhouette it would not be allowed since it is not an original or a copy of a pre-1896 single shot. Silhouette also requires an external hammer. I am sure there are other disciplines that would allow it. SS SS: that was my understanding, but there must be something that allows for such as Sharps Borschardt, Miller, Ruger, etc.... Maybe an 'open' class... or a pre-disqualified match or something? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Miller model 'F' Rifles (seriously doubt people are plunking out 6K for something they cannot compete with somewhere <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />)
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Idahjo, now I said the #3 was not kosher for silhouette. The Miller is indeed legal and I have seen them in competition. It sort of meets the requirements in that it is "sort of a reproduction of a pre-1896 action (Farrow)" and it does indeed have a little stub of an external hammer. The #3 is a bit Farquarhson to meet the rules and of course it lacks a hammer.
The Borchardts are legal for Creedmoor, but I don't know about the Ruger. Wanna see a neat old Borchardt? If I can remember how to get a picture, up I'll post mine.
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No words of mine can hope to convey to you the ringing joy and hope embodied in that spontaneous yell: �The Americans are coming; at last they are coming!�
I hadn�t the heart to disillusion them.
John "Pondoro" Taylor Africa 1955
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Try this. SS
No words of mine can hope to convey to you the ringing joy and hope embodied in that spontaneous yell: �The Americans are coming; at last they are coming!�
I hadn�t the heart to disillusion them.
John "Pondoro" Taylor Africa 1955
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No words of mine can hope to convey to you the ringing joy and hope embodied in that spontaneous yell: �The Americans are coming; at last they are coming!�
I hadn�t the heart to disillusion them.
John "Pondoro" Taylor Africa 1955
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Dam, sharpshooter,
You must be from Texas, BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG PICTURE. I happen to like Borchardts. I'm building a 44-90 on a Military action. Most of it's completed. I'm just now completing a 44-70 on an original High-Wall action, a little more finish on the wood and it's done.
idahjo,
You could shoot your rifle in the target catagory of B.P., that's mid range and Creedmoor. Mid Range is 2 3 and 6 hundred yards. Creedmooe is 8-9 and 1000 yards.
Kelley O.
P.S. Crossfire , come out, come out, were ever you are. Alli, alli oxen free.
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"Nice" Cushy-chair too (Looks like it has fuzz in one of it's belly-buttons) Kelly O.; "See your 'BIIIIG Picture' and raise raise you a 'BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGER picture'" [/i] (P.S. I like Borchardts too!)
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Kelley, we need pictures of that 44-90.
Idahjo, that's a pretty cool chair but Goldie doesn't allow me on it.
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No words of mine can hope to convey to you the ringing joy and hope embodied in that spontaneous yell: �The Americans are coming; at last they are coming!�
I hadn�t the heart to disillusion them.
John "Pondoro" Taylor Africa 1955
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Idahjo, that's a pretty cool chair but Goldie doesn't allow me on it. SS <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Idahjo, now I said the #3 was not kosher for silhouette. The Miller is indeed legal and I have seen them in competition. It sort of meets the requirements in that it is "sort of a reproduction of a pre-1896 action (Farrow)" and it does indeed have a little stub of an external hammer. The #3 is a bit Farquarhson to meet the rules and of course it lacks a hammer. SS e-mail question answered by Mr. Miller: ----- Original Message ----- From: Cyle Miller To: Info Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Miller model F A: Yes it will for all BPCR. Cyle ----- Original Message ----- From: Info To: Cyle ; steven@DakotaArms.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Fw: Miller model F ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Walterscheidt To: info@dakotaarms.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Miller model F Q: Are there any BPCR classes in which this rifle can be used for competition? thanks
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Idahjo, isn't that what I just said?
SS
No words of mine can hope to convey to you the ringing joy and hope embodied in that spontaneous yell: �The Americans are coming; at last they are coming!�
I hadn�t the heart to disillusion them.
John "Pondoro" Taylor Africa 1955
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This page is SoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooBiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig, is that better, D.D. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
Annnnnnnnny Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, Sharpshooter,
I don't know how to post pictures. My wife would teach me except she says her hand hurts after teaching me anything. I wonder if that tapping feeling I get in the back of my head when she trys to teach me something means something. Well I ask her of she'll help me and I'll wear a helmut for protection.
Kelley.
I saw the crossfire opps posted on the up and running site, so I wonder if he's going to abandon us? How do you propose to get him back here?
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I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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