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clearly, we're not ready for real change. and who can blame us?
kicking the can further down the road, and running up the debt has worked oh so well so far. who would want to change anything at this late date in the development of the world??
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Because of your 'first thought' I didn't vote for McCain 4 years. Likewise because of your first thought, no way I won't vote for Romney this go around. If it's going in the toilet in the next 4 or 8 years, I'd just as soon not have an R at the healm as you are then talking about two generations of political damage. No Libertarian party will rise from those ashes. We just joke about Communist/Socialism now. I doubt we'd be joking then. Hell I thought I was pessimistic...4 yrs til socialism with O'bammy? How long you think Riomney buys us? My point is, if the wheels really do come off the cart, (and no, a little math suggests it's not the hysterical rantings of the tin foil crowd, there are mutliple all too plausible scenarios that unfortunately get us there) THEN I'm saying the rise of actual Socialism/Communism (perhaps marketed better) to the predominate party is much much more likely than the slow decline we watch today. Pessimistic? Perhaps. Measuring our 'progress' over the last 20 or so years isn't give me a lot to be too optimistic about. It's the whole boiling the frog slowly thing. We just have no clue how hot the water is already. You actually answer yourself...if we are 4-8 yrs regardless of party...well the water is boiling. Like I said....best option...grab your guns...or let your kids grab them...
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Grab your guns and do what,Wyatt?
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Grab your guns and do what,Wyatt? More than you? I was talking to someone without your optimism...which I have stated numerous times I respect. But sometimes optimism turns into fantasy...would hate to see you with your head in the sand... 
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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clearly, we're not ready for real change. and who can blame us?
kicking the can further down the road, and running up the debt has worked oh so well so far. who would want to change anything at this late date in the development of the world?? There you go Bob; you've got Gus to support Romney! Or is that Bammy? I have a hard time telling the difference...
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The thing I genuinely don't understand is, if RP is so harmless and inconsequentially inane, why not just avoid these threads like you did the special ed room in grade school?
Bingo. The answer's pretty obvious.
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But seriously...do you think Rinomney being our nominee is a good thing for the future of the R party? Or is he just a stop gap until we can get "real" R
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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Because of your 'first thought' I didn't vote for McCain 4 years. Likewise because of your first thought, no way I won't vote for Romney this go around. If it's going in the toilet in the next 4 or 8 years, I'd just as soon not have an R at the healm as you are then talking about two generations of political damage. No Libertarian party will rise from those ashes. We just joke about Communist/Socialism now. I doubt we'd be joking then. Hell I thought I was pessimistic...4 yrs til socialism with O'bammy? How long you think Riomney buys us? My point is, if the wheels really do come off the cart, (and no, a little math suggests it's not the hysterical rantings of the tin foil crowd, there are mutliple all too plausible scenarios that unfortunately get us there) THEN I'm saying the rise of actual Socialism/Communism (perhaps marketed better) to the predominate party is much much more likely than the slow decline we watch today. Pessimistic? Perhaps. Measuring our 'progress' over the last 20 or so years isn't give me a lot to be too optimistic about. It's the whole boiling the frog slowly thing. We just have no clue how hot the water is already. You actually answer yourself...if we are 4-8 yrs regardless of party...well the water is boiling. Like I said....best option...grab your guns...or let your kids grab them... I'd rather America educate herself to the reality of what it will take to get this salvaged (and no RP is not it as we'd simply die a different death under him). I started a thread about what is absolutely necessary for the federal government to provide. Things it MUST provide for our survival. In the predictable very few responses, the list was already longer than we can afford today. It got very few responses because the vast majority of people don't want to acknowledge the fact that cutting the federal government to something closer to what it's Constitutional and ECONOMIC realities are suddenly cross into THEIR 'must haves' even if in a quiet moment they would admit they are really just "nice to haves". People love their 'stuff'. It's an entire mindset that is simply not sustainable. I don't see a president or a party changing that. It's an awakening that probably only be achieved after collapse. How many former drunks didn't turn it around until they finally woke up in a gutter in their own puke? We're still stumbling around noticing the first affects of a hangover and we keep reaching for the "hair of the dog". Well, that dog is about out of hair and patience.
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Actually, the Liberty movement is just America's expression of something that's occurring throughout the west.
It's a generational political shift and it's being driven by the simple fact that the whole place is financially *busted*.
It isn't about the Presidential election any longer. It's about a new generation of politically active people coming of age.
The election will come and go,...but the Liberty movement isn't going to just shut down.
And really,....if you're over the age of 45 or so,..you're just a spectator to it all.
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I'd rather America educate herself to the reality of what it will take to get this salvaged (and no RP is not it as we'd simply die a different death under him). I started a thread about what is absolutely necessary for the federal government to provide. Things it MUST provide for our survival. In the predictable very few responses, the list was already longer than we can afford today. It got very few responses because the vast majority of people don't want to acknowledge the fact that cutting the federal government to something closer to what it's Constitutional and ECONOMIC realities are suddenly cross into THEIR 'must haves' even if in a quiet moment they would admit they are really just "nice to haves". People love their 'stuff'. It's an entire mindset that is simply not sustainable. I don't see a president or a party changing that. It's an awakening that probably only be achieved after collapse. How many former drunks didn't turn it around until they finally woke up in a gutter in their own puke? We're still stumbling around noticing the first affects of a hangover and we keep reaching for the "hair of the dog". Well, that dog is about out of hair and patience. To my Bolded part...hope in one hand...49-50% on .gov dime will not make that a reality. A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. T...he average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been about 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." - Alexander Fraser Tytler We are there...or Rinomney might be a stop gap...ask Bob
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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Who do you think Romney is going to select for VP? Who cares? Warm bucket of spit.
If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks..., will deprive the People of all their Property,...Thomas Jefferson
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But seriously...do you think Rinomney being our nominee is a good thing for the future of the R party? Or is he just a stop gap until we can get "real" R ========= It remains to be seen,by all of us,of course. As to judges,it's a no-brainer. As Gingrich spelled out today,there's a greater gap on this issue with these current candidates than there was with Reagan/Carter. I'll call him a liar on the national level if and when he proves to be one on the national level. I'm not judging him on the whines and moans of guessers and doom and gloomers. And pouters,too.
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clearly, we're not ready for real change. and who can blame us?
kicking the can further down the road, and running up the debt has worked oh so well so far. who would want to change anything at this late date in the development of the world?? There you go Bob; you've got Gus to support Romney! Or is that Bammy? I have a hard time telling the difference... ======== At least you appear able to understand anything he says.
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The national debt is the only issue worth discussing,....and Ron Paul is the only candidate who presents it to the people in an honest fashion. The other candidates are vying for the vote of those who don't understand how dire the situation is. Anyone who has an understanding of how the U.S. national debt is going to impact their lives in the upcoming years have no time for Romney or Obama's nonsense. People who are tuned in to the debt problem in America support Ron Paul. Here's your debt. http://www.usdebtclock.org/It's *really* yours and you're *really* going to get to pay it,...through taxes and inflation. It's going to impoverish you. ,...really.
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But seriously...do you think Rinomney being our nominee is a good thing for the future of the R party? Or is he just a stop gap until we can get "real" R ========= It remains to be seen,by all of us,of course. As to judges,it's a no-brainer. As Gingrich spelled out today,there's a greater gap on this issue with these current candidates than there was with Reagan/Carter. I'll call him a liar on the national level if and when he proves to be one on the national level. I'm not judging him on the whines and moans of guessers and doom and gloomers. And pouters,too. National level liar...new one... I think I have said it even in this thread...SCOTUS is a big one...but hope for the R party...he is not my hope...nor our childrens... Did you take the Nolan test? Curious where you stood...
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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RP sure figured out a perfect way to solve his debt problem.
The RP Rube Indemnification Plan makes Maddoff seem a rookie.
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Good luck trying to make the youth of America believe that Ron Paul is the problem.
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RP sure figured out a perfect way to solve his debt problem.
The RP Rube Indemnification Plan makes Maddoff seem a rookie.
Good thing Obama supporters on this site don't suffer your wrath...might scare off some thin skinned individuals...
"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787)
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The national debt is the only issue worth discussing Imagine how much less it would be if you, ronny, and the democrats, wouldn't have undermined the wars. Lots less casualties, and the boys would be home now.
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The thing I genuinely don't understand is, if RP is so harmless and inconsequentially inane, why not just avoid these threads like you did the special ed room in grade school?
Bingo. The answer's pretty obvious. Yep. They can't work up excitement for the candidate that was chosen, so they distract themselves by continuing to bash one who wasn't... Not the best way to get your guy elected; could it be that they're not the Party faithful we pegged them as? Say it ain't so! Careful guys... You keep giving RP this attention and people will get the wrong idea...
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