[quote=elkhunternm]Really, so America's presence in far off places causes wars now?
Read more carefully. Not what I said. However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases. The wars of nations in far flung places should not concern the military of the United States unless Congress is moved by the will of their constituents at home to do so. The trip wires serve the purpose of making the involvement of our military automatic, bypassing Congress and the will of the American people. Ron Paul would like to restore our independence from foreign wars, apart from a decision by Congress to involve us in one. Part of the way he will do that is by pulling up our various and sundry war trip wires which previous administrations have established all over the globe. [/quote/] So how does that make America stronger,seems to me paul is a pacifast.
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With Paul polling in 4th at about 10% in Cali,and still behind two candidates who have dropped out,I'm thinking folks are simply getting in one last look at the world's greatest salesman before he retires to his porch in Texas. I think he's already signed to be the next "Sham-Wow" spokesperson.
Post the You-Tube vid of the Cali crowd singing "Nah,Nah,Nah,Nah,Hey Hey Good Bye"!
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So how does that make America stronger,seems to me paul is a pacifast.
A pacifist is someone who will not defend himself. In foreign policy, a pacifist would be someone who won't defend his nation if attacked. The trip wires weren't about defending the US, however. They were about being the world's police force. Withdrawing from a policy that pulls us into every outbreak of hostility anywhere across the globe doesn't decrease our national security. It increases it by a substantial margin.
Don't be late to your Cinco De Mayo party waiting for a credible answer.
I don't do mayo , but I do have a couples shower for my daughter this afternoon. Have to shop for that first. It's an outdoor theme. May get her an 870.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases.
While not a fan of foreign bases, can you tell me when we became involved in a war due to having a base in that country, in, say, the last 50 years?
Well we certainly had bases in the region when Iraq invaded Kuwait. I seem to recall our military being drawn into that conflict. Had we no bases in the region, do you suppose we'd have involved ourselves in it?
that is only the case for people who think Ron Paul invented his agenda. He didn't. What he did was take the traditional small government, low tax, minimal regulation, strong defense GOP historical platform......subtract the strong defense...
Wrong. He never subtracted strong defense. He restored strong defense. The neocons subtracted it and replaced it with expanding an empire and nation building, which actually go contrary to a strong defense.
Is this the same ron paul who wants to close all military bases around the world,how would that make America stronger?
Because it would save the $ Trillions that are usually carried off budget from being spent in places where we really don't need to be.
If you think that borrowing and printing currency units in order to pay for foreign adventures that have little real affect on our national security makes us stronger, then I have some swampland in Florida to sell you.
I've made this point many, many, times, but the continued printing of currency and issuance of debt makes the country weaker. At some point, and sooner rather than later judging by what happened in the wake of the SWIFT banking decision, the world will no longer accept the green paper we euphemistically call money. When that happens, all of those troops involved in 135 countries around the globe are going to be essentially on their own unless we find some way to pay for their supplies and logistical needs, including transport home.
So yes, having bases in places that we are no longer needed does make us weaker, as it drains funds from the public coffers for no good purpose.
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If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks..., will deprive the People of all their Property,...Thomas Jefferson
However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases.
While not a fan of foreign bases, can you tell me when we became involved in a war due to having a base in that country, in, say, the last 50 years?
Maybe he means Pearl Harbor...but that was a territory, not a foreign country.
the Paulies love their vision of a "little America"....humbled, timid, withdrawn from the world. that's why they have so much in common with the left on foreign policy.
maybe they should move to a small, timid country. this ain't it.
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Anyone voting for Ron Paul at this stage merely proves the adage that there's a sucker born every minute.
And as for Ron Paul, it continues to prove his limitless ambition and that he doesn't give a damn about his 'supporters', but that he is merely using them, continuing to run and accept their money in these difficult financial times when he has ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance of winning the nomination, having won NOT A SINGLE STATE in the primaries. He'll prolly continue to accept their money even after the convention so he can put out another 'newsletter' bearing his name that he doesn't even write and that is all a fraud.
What a guy...
Exquisitely turdlike in all of his many manifestations!!
However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases.
While not a fan of foreign bases, can you tell me when we became involved in a war due to having a base in that country, in, say, the last 50 years?
Maybe he means Pearl Harbor...but that was a territory, not a foreign country.
the Paulies love their vision of a "little America"....humbled, timid, withdrawn from the world. that's why they have so much in common with the left on foreign policy.
maybe they should move to a small, timid country. this ain't it.
You mean a small timid country that actually doesn't have a debt to GDP officially at 108%? Or one that has a debt when including unfunded liabilities-which include .mil pensions BTW-of $212 Trillion.
At some point we will be forced to "withdraw from the world". Better to do it on our terms than to have that withdrawal dictated by a lack of funds.
If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks..., will deprive the People of all their Property,...Thomas Jefferson
However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases.
While not a fan of foreign bases, can you tell me when we became involved in a war due to having a base in that country, in, say, the last 50 years?
Maybe he means Pearl Harbor...but that was a territory, not a foreign country.
the Paulies love their vision of a "little America"....humbled, timid, withdrawn from the world. that's why they have so much in common with the left on foreign policy.
maybe they should move to a small, timid country. this ain't it.
Far more important to the question of real national strength is to be a world economic super power. We killed the goose that laid the golden egg when we committed ourselves to policing the entire world with American empire. Ron Paul wants to revive that dead goose.
in the first place, Paul's scary count of a jillion foreign bases is essentially false, unless you count embassy guards or platoon size liaison forces as a base.
in the second, it is not the cost of the defense establishment that has caused the budget/debt disaster.....it's the entitlement state pouring the money out the door, while the nanny state stifles real economic growth.
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However, all those trip wires pull us into war whenever hostilities break out involving nations that host our bases.
While not a fan of foreign bases, can you tell me when we became involved in a war due to having a base in that country, in, say, the last 50 years?
Maybe he means Pearl Harbor...but that was a territory, not a foreign country.
the Paulies love their vision of a "little America"....humbled, timid, withdrawn from the world. that's why they have so much in common with the left on foreign policy.
maybe they should move to a small, timid country. this ain't it.
You mean a small timid country that actually doesn't have a debt to GDP officially at 108%? Or one that has a debt when including unfunded liabilities-which include .mil pensions BTW-of $212 Trillion.
At some point we will be forced to "withdraw from the world". Better to do it on our terms than to have that withdrawal dictated by a lack of funds.
You can't 'withdraw from the world', and if you try to all you are going to do is put the country in harm's way just as much or more so than it is due to our current economic situaton. It's an unrealistic premise, but hey, when has reality ever mattered to Ron Paul...or his Paulbots. The Pied Piper plays them a song and they follow him along.
Exquisitely turdlike in all of his many manifestations!!
, but I do have a couples shower for my daughter this afternoon. Have to shop for that first. It's an outdoor theme. May get her an 870. 