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Yep, was referring to 4.5" at 300.  When I refer to 1 moa at 100yds - I mean 1" outside-outside. That's my personal description. Always measured 0-0.
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0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 MOA rifles ... hunt with all of them, kill schitt with all of them. Iffin' I miss its my fault not my 2MOA-rile's fault.
Who says a gun is for hunting? Hunting season here is one week a year, what about the other 51 weeks of shooting? 2MOA? That is a 10" group at 500 with no wind, and off a bench. Now aim that piece of crap over a pack, throw in some wind, and that 2MOA gun is only good for holding up tomatoes. In your opinion .... but then again, I don't do a whole lotta shooting at 500 yards with a 30-30. Good Luck with that and a lot of us have deer seasons that last for months, and then there are hogs, and exotics, and calling coyotes, and PD's...
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[even while shooting at moderate distances Ive found little difference in practical gong-ringability between a 1/2 and 1.5 MOA load I would send a 1.5moa gun down the road. Thats unfortunate.
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Yep, was referring to 4.5" at 300. When I refer to 1 moa at 100yds - I mean 1" outside-outside. That's my personal description. Always measured 0-0. Damn, I always measured My groups from center to center, your 1" groups are My .75" groups, these are some extremely good groups!.............Hb
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Didn't read through the whole thing, but I have a Tikka that shoots bugholes and I like it. But I don't get all queered up about what another guy wants to hunt with either.
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A Tikka shooting bugholes is par for the course...
Just got done loading 50 more rounds. Hope to wring this out to 500 this weekend.
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More than a little curious to see how that T3 recoil luggette is faring twenty years from now.
Seems there's a thriving business in Rem style recoil lugs for the T3 over on the Hide.
That luggette is just one of the engineering compromises which turned me off of the T3 design. I do know of a guy that has one in 7 mag that shot out the barrel after 1900 rounds, it now has a new barrel and the recoil lug is still solid even in that plastic stock! I have read through this hole thread and you have knocked the T3 down many times, so if you don't like it why have you followed this thread? Is it a love/hate thing for this rifle? 
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Just tempering all the T3 hyperbole.
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Just tempering all the T3 hyperbole. Ok, do you own a T3?
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It is the new and improved 788...lol.
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Just tempering all the T3 hyperbole. Ok, do you own a T3? Not anymore.
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He owned a .270 wsm with a slow barrel and has since been "tempering T3 hyperbole" with his sample of one. It's one thing to have an opinion about a rifle. It's another to bear the torch like you've got money riding on it.
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At least eight people have expressed a dislike for the T3 in this thread. Various reasons.
Several of those expressing fondness for Tikkas are shooting the pre-T3 models which are much better designed and built than the T3.
Plenty of T3 hyperbole to be tempered too.
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And my criticisms of the T3 in this thread have nothing to do with how well or not they shoot but rather in their numerous design and construction compromises and their feel.
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But man...they shoot!!
Like thats all their is to a good gun....
If I recall correctly Ive shot Plastikkas in .223, 22-250, 270, 270 wizz, 300, 300 wizz, 7RM, and Turdy O' Six. And none of them shot any better or worse than any other rifles Ive sat behind.
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But man...they shoot!!
Like thats all their is to a good gun....
If I recall correctly Ive shot Plastikkas in .223, 22-250, 270, 270 wizz, 300, 300 wizz, 7RM, and Turdy O' Six. And none of them shot any better or worse than any other rifles Ive sat behind. Imagine that!
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I know they are just cheap junk (just ignore the Sako barrel, and exquisite machining). Testing my elevation dial this past weekend on my T3 6.5x55, Zeiss 3-9 Conquest. black dot is 1". Started out at 200 yards:![[Linked Image]](http://i45.tinypic.com/fxurtg.jpg) Moved on to 300yds:![[Linked Image]](http://i45.tinypic.com/k55po9.jpg) Moved onto 400, but 30mph gust were blowing me all over, still managed 2" at 400. Sorry, no pic.  Heading back out this weekend to see what this piece of junk will do at 500...Load is lapua case, Fed 210M primers, H4350, 120gr Ballistic Tip, 2900+fps. ![[Linked Image]](http://i47.tinypic.com/2u7wxm9.jpg) a chap has gotta spend a few thousand bucks--and get up on the right side of the bed, to even hope to best that level of performance...
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Lets face it, guy's love em mainly because they are cheap, they do seem to shoot good and they think that makes "PlasTikkas" some kind of special, maybe they are amazed that something that cheap looking is capable of shooting decent, I've got a news flash most modern bolt action rifles made today do shoot very accuratly, the tolerances of modern rifles are very tight it's really no big deal if your rifle is accurate these days, any number of rifle makes are as good as the other, Remington, Savage, Winchester, Browning and many others build very accurate rifles. PlasTikka guy's need to get over it, many other rifles are just as accurate, any given rifle may outshoot the next most just don't reek of cheapness like PlasTikkas do.....................Hb
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Lets face it, guy's love em mainly because they are cheap, they do seem to shoot good and they think that makes "PlasTikkas" some kind of special, maybe they are amazed that something that cheap looking is capable of shooting decent, I've got a news flash most modern bolt action rifles made today do shoot very accuratly, the tolerances of modern rifles are very tight it's really no big deal if your rifle is accurate these days, any number of rifle makes are as good as the other, Remington, Savage, Winchester, Browning and many others build very accurate rifles. PlasTikka guy's need to get over it, many other rifles are just as accurate, any given rifle may outshoot the next most just don't reek of cheapness like PlasTikkas do.....................Hb
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