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Is 1/10th mil click 3/8 of a inch at 100yds? Thanks...
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I'm thinking about a mil/mil scope.
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Just forget about inches and work in mils.
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I thought this was VERY helpful.....
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Mathman, and Nebraska thank you two for the help! That chart is the berries!!!
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Just forget about inches and work in mils. Yep, lots of wisdom in that advice. Use a balistic Calculator to out a drop table in Mils (not inches) for the various distances your liable to shoot, confirm the drops by shooting and then forget inches all together. If a person really can't let go of inches, they are probably better getting a scope with MOA turrets and MOA dot reticle..
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Be aware, the reticle in that scope is in the second focal place, so the Mils on the reticle are only "true" at x15..If you really want to reap the benifits of going Mil/Mil (or MOA&MOA) get a scope with the reticle in the first focal plane as the measurements on the reticle hold true at all powers not just x15.. If you look at the original Vortex Viper scope, it was available as a First Focal Plane scope, and that along with the Mil/Mil set up, was its biggest selling point to the Tactical and long range shooting crowd. It is significantly more expensive though..
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The beauty of this scope is the feature set for the price. It is second focal plane and also a 'wire' reticle, but it's Mil/Mil side focus zero stop 44mm tacticool all the way. They're very well reviewed. Been waiting since early May and hope I like it... Might have to buy a rifle to put on.
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The beauty of this scope is the feature set for the price. It is second focal plane and also a 'wire' reticle, but it's Mil/Mil side focus zero stop 44mm tacticool all the way. They're very well reviewed. Been waiting since early May and hope I like it... Might have to buy a rifle to put on. That's where I'm at. Thinking I might need some sort of tacticool Remington .308. Maybe a 700 LTR?
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That's where I'm at. Thinking I might need some sort of tacticool Remington .308. Maybe a 700 LTR? That's a good one if you want a shorty. I have its upscale twin, an XCR Compact Tactical, and it's a lot of fun. For a full size rifle, consider a 5R MilSpec.
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That's a thought, too, mathman. I kinda wanted to try a shorty, just to see if I hate them as much as I think I will... LOL
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If you do get the scope, you need to verify the accuracy of the reticle at a given magnification. You may find you may have to set the magnification slightly lower or even higher to get true readings. I was surprised to realize that CM adjustments are very close to MIL adjustments. A CM being .39 inches. E
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I was surprised to realize that CM adjustments are very close to MIL adjustments. A CM being .39 inches. E It's no surprise since a centimeter at 100 meters distance corresponds exactly to one tenth milliradian.
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Funny how that metric system works, huh?
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It's not really the centimeters/meters as much as it's the use of radian measure for the angle.
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Be aware, the reticle in that scope is in the second focal place, so the Mils on the reticle are only "true" at x15. While this is certainly true, one thing I've seldom seen is a report from FFP owners as to how often they've mil ranged a target at a magnification other than the maximum (which is usually the "mil" setting on most SFP scopes). Personally, if a target is past the point at which I'd bother to mil it, I'm maxing out the magnification on any scope topping out under 20x, as FOV will be plenty big at those ranges anyway. My point is that I suspect that that facet of FFP mil dot scopes is a seldom used advantage, with the comparatively steep opportunity cost of a small, thin subtension of the reticle at low power.
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Thank Jay P for the break down
MOA & Mils (Angular units of measure)
Mils (Milradians) 6283 Mils = 1 Circle 17.5 Mils = 1 degree 1 Mil = 3.438 MOA 1 Mil = 3.6 inches at 100 yards 1 Mil = 100mm at 100 meters 1 Mil = 1 meter at 1000 meters 1 Mil = 3.937 inches at 100 meters
Minute of Angle 1 MOA = 1/60th of a degree 21600 MOA = 1 circle 1 MOA = 1 inch at 95.5 yards 1 MOA = 1.047 inches at 100 yards 1 MOA = 1.145 inches at 100 meters 1 MOA = 11.45 inches at 1000 meters
Field Use (Corrections) 1 Mil = 3.5 MOA 1 Mil = 4" at 100 m 1 MOA = 1 inch at 100 m
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Be aware, the reticle in that scope is in the second focal place, so the Mils on the reticle are only "true" at x15.
While this is certainly true, one thing I've seldom seen is a report from FFP owners as to how often they've mil ranged a target at a magnification other than the maximum (which is usually the "mil" setting on most SFP scopes). Personally, if a target is past the point at which I'd bother to mil it, I'm maxing out the magnification on any scope topping out under 20x, as FOV will be plenty big at those ranges anyway. My point is that I suspect that that facet of FFP mil dot scopes is a seldom used advantage, with the comparatively steep opportunity cost of a small, thin subtension of the reticle at low power. [/quote] That concept right there is way bigger than mil-ranging at the correct milliradian magnification, since the "mil-ranging formula" is not specific to the MR subtension, and can be used with any MR scope at any magnification and really any 2 points at any distance relative to any 2 points at any other distance, from mil-dot to simple plex to Ballistic Plex to archery sight pins, as is described right here in these 2 Utubes-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNvJKBOpj08http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEhoNaRi2s
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