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Here it is, It's a pre-64 ftw with 22 " stainless bbl in an Echol's edge stock. It holds 5 9.3x62 rounds in the magazine and weighs a bit over 7 lbs. - it is my current rendition of "the best all around Alaskan rifle"
Previous winners have included my FN 30-06, a FN 35 Whelen, a couple of stainless M-70 338 Wm, a stainless M-70 375 H&H, a Ruger 375 H&H, an FN 375 Ruger and, in the factory category, the Ruger 375 Alaskan.


Thanks, Phil.

I just love looking at that rifle. It has such nice lines and seems such handy bear medicine.

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Edited to add: What receiver sight and how is the Legend comb height for iron sights?


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It is mighty handy Probably because D'Arcy's stock design comes the closest to matching the one I cobbled together on my 458. Only his is a lot prettier

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Didn't that .458 have a name, something like "ole ugly", or such?

D'Arcy told me the Legend comb was set up for scopes but did OK with tall iron sights. Evidently the comb height is right for your receiver sight, or you wouldn't have it set up that way.

BTW, which receiver sight and is it a ghost ring type set up, or something else?

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The comb on Ole Ugly is lower but the grip and forend feel are quit similar

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I had seen pictures of Ole Ugly, but didn't remember it was a Mauser.

D'Arcy's Legend stock is made only for m-70's. Did you go with a M-70 because of the Legend stock and how do you compare those two actions, the Mauser and M-70 for what you do?

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Wasnt Hosea Sarber mauled/died by a bear attack? Maybe the .270 explains that....Well I agree with the flinching problem and shooting an unfamiliar gun its more likely. I shot a 7mm for years and would have to practice dry firing to avoid flinching. Finally I broke down and put a good recoil pad and problem solved. A guy let me shoot his .460 and I flinched like a mofo I was so scared and afterwards I feel it kicked a lot less than my 7mm. But he had a nice recoil pad also. I have hunted with a .243 quite a bit which is a necked down 7mmo8 and the recoil and noise is substantial (it�s a tiny custom 4 lb rifle.). I bet you don�t see much difference in pain to the straight case .375 with a good recoil pad.

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No offense to anyone but IMO as long as your Guide is backing you up buying yourself some magnum "ALASKA RIFLE" wouldn't be neccesary.

If you are skillful with the .30/06, 270 Winchester, or 7mm Magnum, that your comfortable shooting bring it and save yourself money.

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Originally Posted by idahoguy101
No offense to anyone but IMO as long as your Guide is backing you up buying yourself some magnum "ALASKA RIFLE" wouldn't be neccesary.

If you are skillful with the .30/06, 270 Winchester, or 7mm Magnum, that your comfortable shooting bring it and save yourself money.


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What about guys like WDM Bell....more about skill than the rifle.

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Originally Posted by 458Win
The comb on Ole Ugly is lower but the grip and forend feel are quit similar

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Tundra Camo... grin

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W.D.M. Bell was on his own in Africa poaching Elephants for their Ivory.

In my scenerio for an Alaskan Bear hunt I want a experienced Guide backing me up. As I understand it most Guides use .338 Winchester Magnum chambered rifles for up close work with bear teeth and claws.


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Originally Posted by sollybug
Wasnt Hosea Sarber mauled/died by a bear attack? Maybe the .270 explains that....


Not at all, in fact he wrote that he rather liked the 270. But preferred his 30-06 - even over his 375.

He was law enforcement and was investigating some salmon poachers when he disappeared - all they found was his skiff.


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+1 for the 375 H&H!!


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Originally Posted by idahoguy101
W.D.M. Bell was on his own in Africa poaching Elephants for their Ivory.





Bell was using a small caliber(compared to normal ones used) to get the job done.

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Like any other hunting, it's the bullet that does all the killing - and where the shooter places it that determines how quickly the animal dies.
It is amazing how very little all the other stuff - like bullet diameter and velocity - changes any of the first two.
And how much you paid for you scope, or who built your rifle, or how well you once shot off the bench, doesn't matter a bit.


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So,

where is the line?

.375 H&H same as 9,3x62 same as .35 Whelen, same as .338 Win Mag same as .300 Win. Mag. same as .30-06 same as .270 Win same as 25-06 same as .257 Roberts same as .243 same as .223 (AI that is)...???

It seems to silly old me that we are seeing the pendle go to the other extreme from Keith and his stories from "up Alaska way".



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Since no one has mentioned this yet, FYI.

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Ima dumbazz, dont even live in Alaska, and sure aint a Bear Guide.

But I came across a very cool 416 Taylor on a VZ-24 Mauser action, it wears 1/4 rib express sights, set it in a BC syn stock with alum. chassis, has a 1.5-5 Leupold in a set of 8-40 drilled Talley QD's.

The 400 gn Hornady RN Interlock bullets backed down to very reasonable 2250 fps is a very surprisingly manageable round to handle, and I would think it should be a perfect G Bear rifle up close or out to maybe a 100 yards or so.

Just one wannabe's opinion. smile

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I have done some reading about the 375 ruger. Would do the job I imagine!

I have shot a few rugers, and while nice, I prefer an older rem 700. Though recently some pre64 winnys have been calling. Half the fun of a new toy is the speculation in its purchase grin

Just can't seem to find the perfect solution for me.
The 375 looks very promising and effective, but I can't pair it down to 6-7# and shoot it comfortably (Based on what others here have mentioned).
I have been looking at a Remington 350 magnum. Seems nifty
Have also been looking at a Rem 7mmRM but its not too far off from my current rifle.
Need to take some more time reading I suppose. Getting out and shooting some couldn't hurt either.


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Hi Carl,

So if we apply mathematic laws the 375H&H eaqual the 223AI and vice versa. crazy

I like the fire i learn every day.

Regards my friend

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But he was an very exceptional shooter, training all day when not hunting, shooting birds in flight with rifle or his C96 Mauser with stock.
He also learnt the anatomy of the elephant, and most of the bulls he shot never had seen a white man or heard a rifle shot. Other man, other times other gift. Most shots were really close so close that it would be almost impossible to get like this today. And he never stand still looking "at the shot", jolting bolt as fast as he can with fantastic precision.
And was not poaching. Taylor was a poacher most of time, Bell hunted for ivory on licences and rights mostly.
Like the Topperwein, Annie Ockley, Crosman, and other more modern US pistoleros or riflemen, Bell was over the crowd.

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