I dunno about you guys, but Z's posts have really convinced me that Korthfs are truly superior to any revolver - particularly because they so precise and elegant and "rich" like Z
This "exchange" really does look like a classic story line from Saturday morning cartoons: evil, ugly, and rich european-accented villain with no friends or social life (or graces) because he thinks he is far too superior in intellect and good looks (likes to - and "can only" - use fancy words to stress the fact) than everyone else on the regular human planet who likes to educate, nay - pontificate, about the superiority of their wares and decisions. He also likes to point out spelling and grammatical errors and tries to stay logical in the face of infuriation from the "rest of the world".
He cannot step outside of himself enough to see that we read him like a cheap comic book and have been laughing at every jab that we post...
...and yet he is "ONE OF US" and needs to be - still hangs out here and takes it all. For that alone, I would still sit and chat, have a drink with him. I sorta respect that - still sorta see some of myself in him.
Man, you are the gift that keeps on giving! The .338 Lapua fills an entirely different role than a standard infantry arm whereas a Korth is simply an irrelevant duplication of the exact same arm carried into conflict by 10s of thousands of servicemembers and police officers.
Chuck me another softball, Z.
"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it does."
Clearly, the MR73 is relevant enough to operatives of GIGN and ECO Cobra, men whose trigger time both in and out of the line of fire is likely to exceed that of the best shooters on this forum by orders of magnitude, for their agencies to pay over twice the cost of comparable American revolvers. Just as clearly it is as relevant enough to American shooters who pick up every last piece of GIGN and ECO Cobra surplus with six figure round counts for amounts that would buy them a brand new S&W Custom Shop lookalike, plus a case of Magnum ammo. If all you are saying is that it is irrelevant to you, try telling it to somebody who cares. Like your mother or your psychiatrist.
Sure it does, Z. You're just don't want to admit it. You talk about a revolver and its use by two small enforcement/AT agencies. That's a drop in the bucket compared to S&W and Colt.
No, I talk about a revolver that is precise and durable enough to be used as a first line offensive arm by multiple �lite hostage rescue and anti-terrorist combat units, whom you willfully keep conflating with local constabulary personnel of Podunk, Michigan. You have every right to subject your choice of arms to a popularity contest furnished by the lowest bidder. No one else is obligated to follow suit.
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Ah, the elitism fully exposed. Dude, at any point you want to compare the number of bad guys racked and stacked between Korths/Manurhin and Smiths/Colts, bring it on. Oh yeah, you don't care about that. Just keep polishing your really expensive revolver and reading over its extensive list of features. Seems this discussion played out somewhere before between guys armed with Shermans and guys armed with Panthers/Tigers........
"There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men." - Robert Heinlein
"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it does."
Clearly, the MR73 is relevant enough to operatives of GIGN and ECO Cobra, men whose trigger time both in and out of the line of fire is likely to exceed that of the best shooters on this forum by orders of magnitude, for their agencies to pay over twice the cost of comparable American revolvers. Just as clearly it is as relevant enough to American shooters who pick up every last piece of GIGN and ECO Cobra surplus with six figure round counts for amounts that would buy them a brand new S&W Custom Shop lookalike, plus a case of Magnum ammo. If all you are saying is that it is irrelevant to you, try telling it to somebody who cares. Like your mother or your psychiatrist.
Sure it does, Z. You're just don't want to admit it. You talk about a revolver and its use by two small enforcement/AT agencies. That's a drop in the bucket compared to S&W and Colt.
No, I talk about a revolver that is precise and durable enough to be used as a first line offensive arm by multiple �lite hostage rescue and anti-terrorist combat units, whom you willfully keep conflating with local constabulary personnel of Podunk, Michigan. You have every right to subject your choice of arms to a popularity contest furnished by the lowest bidder. No one else is obligated to follow suit.
Ah, the elitism fully exposed. Dude, at any point you want to compare the number of bad guys racked and stacked between Korths/Manurhin and Smiths/Colts, bring it on. Oh yeah, you don't care about that. Just keep polishing your really expensive revolver and reading over its extensive list of features. Seems this discussion played out somewhere before between guys armed with Shermans and guys armed with Panthers/Tigers........
For whatever it's worth, the few of my Untermenschen ancestors who missed out on the Eastern Front action, ended up in unmarked mass graves. I reckon the ensuing congenital grudge should have deterred me from enjoying a revolver line that originated in discarded German tank armor. Not.
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And an 'arm' that Zeleny admits shouldn't be used as a service revolver.
I said nothing of the sort.
Really?
Originally Posted by zeleny
Aside from an early run of 20,000 2" and 4" 5-shot revolvers chambered in .38 Special and numbered in the 20xxx range, meant for, but not purchased by, the Hamburg harbor police, no Korth revolver has been made for constabulary service. Certain features of its design make it less well suited for such use than its Manurhin and S&W counterparts. To cite just one factor, the stroke of its ejector rod is comparable to that of a snubnose 2�" MR73, and shorter than that of a full-length ejector rod fitted to MR73 revolvers with 3" or longer barrels. Consequently, rapid ejection may leave one or two expended shells hanging at the chamber mouths of the cylinder. I do not consider this trait appropriate for a service revolver.
Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. Robert Frost
And an 'arm' that Zeleny admits shouldn't be used as a service revolver.
I said nothing of the sort.
Really?
Originally Posted by zeleny
Aside from an early run of 20,000 2" and 4" 5-shot revolvers chambered in .38 Special and numbered in the 20xxx range, meant for, but not purchased by, the Hamburg harbor police, no Korth revolver has been made for constabulary service. Certain features of its design make it less well suited for such use than its Manurhin and S&W counterparts. To cite just one factor, the stroke of its ejector rod is comparable to that of a snubnose 2�" MR73, and shorter than that of a full-length ejector rod fitted to MR73 revolvers with 3" or longer barrels. Consequently, rapid ejection may leave one or two expended shells hanging at the chamber mouths of the cylinder. I do not consider this trait appropriate for a service revolver.
"I do not consider this trait appropriate" refers to my personal opinion, whereas "shouldn't be used" affects impersonal objectivity. Let it be noted that I make no pretense of that sort.
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Korth's appear to be extremely well made, but are not chambered in 45 caliber or any caliber larger than 357 and that limits there usefulnes to me
As I pointed out above, JANZ-Pr�zisionstechnik GmbH makes a range of switch-caliber revolvers using a Korth action CNC-milled out of forgings, in chamberings ranging from .22 LR to .500 S&W. I have no first-hand experience with their products.
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Korth's appear to be extremely well made, but are not chambered in 45 caliber or any caliber larger than 357 and that limits there usefulnes to me
As I pointed out above, JANZ-Pr�zisionstechnik GmbH makes a range of switch-caliber revolvers using a Korth action CNC-milled out of forgings, in chamberings ranging from .22 LR to .500 S&W. I have no first-hand experience with their products.
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But they are not Korth's now are they?
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
The nazis would use anything for an offensive weapon. Dumb [bleep] nazi.
Thanks for your meaningful contribution.
You advocate that use of an over priced POS. Thanks for YOUR contribution. You stupid [bleep] nazi.
You know, not many people knew it, but the F�hrer was a terrific dancer. And what a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!
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Korth's appear to be extremely well made, but are not chambered in 45 caliber or any caliber larger than 357 and that limits there usefulnes to me
As I pointed out above, JANZ-Pr�zisionstechnik GmbH makes a range of switch-caliber revolvers using a Korth action CNC-milled out of forgings, in chamberings ranging from .22 LR to .500 S&W. I have no first-hand experience with their products
But they are not Korth's now are they?
Neither is current Korth production. Willi sold his company in 1982.
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Your recent comments show as much hate and bigotry as the nazis demonstrated during their run. The hypocrisy is pretty alarming. No need to take it to that level. This is a discussion about pistols, for heaven sake.
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