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Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan WranglerJohn #6768061 08/12/12
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,341 Texas S SAcharlie Campfire Outfitter
SAcharlie Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,341 Texas	The only way the Wealthy class has ever expanded the employment base is by the wars they create and the prisons they build. Been that way since the beginning and I don't see it ending. The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.

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Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768072 08/12/12
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa rrroae Campfire Outfitter
rrroae Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa	Originally Posted by RISJR That isn't a answer to my question,at all. You would benefit far much moreso than I would,depending upon the full extent of loopholes,investment benefits etc. on the chopping block. I'd like a honest answer to my question,which I know you'll provide if you feel comfortable answering...in general terms. Your own profession and the benefits you reap belie your own positions asserted here this morning. Dammit Bob, you really need to figure out that quote thing so I know which post you're referring to.grin As for the Romney/Ryan plan, if I really do stand to pay less taxes, that certainly will grab my attention and probably my vote. I just know from history, someone is going to get screwed and it usually ain't the top dogs.

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan SAcharlie #6768084 08/12/12
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 24,428 Likes: 20 PNW R ribka Campfire Ranger
ribka Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 24,428 Likes: 20 PNW	Originally Posted by SAcharlie The only way the Wealthy class has ever expanded the employment base is by the wars they create and the prisons they build. Been that way since the beginning and I don't see it ending. I didn't know that the Rockefellers and Rothschilds operated a secret prison construction cabal. Wow

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan SAcharlie #6768095 08/12/12
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia I isaac OP Campfire Kahuna
OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	The only way the Wealthy class has ever expanded the employment base is by the wars they create and the prisons they build. ============ You're a complete and utter dumbass. Folks who choose to be intentionally intellectually dishonest are completely worthless and unworthy of anything but the ridicule you constantly receive. What a POS loser. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan ribka #6768097 08/12/12
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eyeball Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 33,856	Darn, I thought it was building highways. Also, I thought that was to benefit working people. I guess many like Suck ass feel that is exploitation and it's better to send them a check and food stamps at home. It cuts down on traffic if they don't have to go to work. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants. If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.

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Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan rrroae #6768102 08/12/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	Dammit Bob, you really need to figure out that quote thing so I know which post you're referring to.grin As for the Romney/Ryan plan, if I really do stand to pay less taxes, that certainly will grab my attention and probably my vote. I just know from history, someone is going to get screwed and it usually ain't the top dogs. ========== Sorry about that. So that I understand,are you saying if Obama's plan/budget (if ever it happens) saves you 1K a year over Ryan's plan...nevermind,I don't want your answer and get myself all flustered and foaming before the Aerosmith concert. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768109 08/12/12
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Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2	Ryan gives a good speech,...but if you boil it down, he's just more of the same. http://www.rlc.org/2012/08/11/the-paul-ryan-record/

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan Bristoe #6768112 08/12/12
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Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2	How many times has Ryan voted to raise the debt ceiling?

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan Bristoe #6768113 08/12/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	I'll engage once you read and understand Ryan's plan,as fully supported by Rand Paul. Addressing talking points mired in guesses and suppositions isn't fun any longer. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768115 08/12/12
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eyeball Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 33,856	Yea, let's vote O to pay a grand less in taxes and then pay an extra $2400 in 'penalties' and mandates, double our gas prices and food prices and electric prices, etc. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants. If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.

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Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768117 08/12/12
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2 B Bristoe Campfire Oracle
Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by RISJR I'll engage once you read and understand Ryan's plan,as fully supported by Rand Paul. Rand Paul is nobody to me.

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768118 08/12/12
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa rrroae Campfire Outfitter
rrroae Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa	Originally Posted by RISJR .... So that I understand,are you saying if Obama's plan/budget (if ever it happens) saves you 1K a year over Ryan's plan...nevermind,I don't want your answer and get myself all flustered and foaming before the Aerosmith concert. If I don't buy Ryan's fairy tell, I sure as hell don't buy Obama's. Have a good time at your concert!

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan Bristoe #6768121 08/12/12
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rrroae Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa	Originally Posted by Bristoe Originally Posted by RISJR I'll engage once you read and understand Ryan's plan,as fully supported by Rand Paul. Rand Paul is nobody to me. lol Yeah Rand sure ain't his Daddy. Maybe the milkman made an unexpected visit back in the day.

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan rrroae #6768124 08/12/12
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia I isaac OP Campfire Kahuna
OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	I don't see how I can have a good time. I don't drink and I'm going with 7 others who'll need a designated driver to get to the frikken concert. That's where my fortune has taken me...straight to the bottom of Aerosmith concert Hell. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768126 08/12/12
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rrroae Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa	lolol

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan rrroae #6768130 08/12/12
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia I isaac OP Campfire Kahuna
OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	If I don't buy Ryan's fairy tell ========== What's the Fairy Tale about it,other than he's the only one with the energy,conviction and motivation to put forth one? The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768144 08/12/12
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2 B Bristoe Campfire Oracle
Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2	The fairy tale is,..it's implemented over a 10 year span. There's not 10 years left. Ryan's stuff is pie in the sky designed to appeal to those who don't understand the scope of our fiscal situation. To right the ship, a radical reduction in the size of government must be implemented yesterday. I know that's not going to happen, but there's no reason to talk about 5 trillion in cuts over 10 years. That's just a feel good speech.

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768145 08/12/12
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna
ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,170 Likes: 2 SE Texas	I'm just glad to be wrong about Ohio...and right about Wisconsin. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan isaac #6768156 08/12/12
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa rrroae Campfire Outfitter
rrroae Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 12,071 NW Pa	Originally Posted by RISJR If I don't buy Ryan's fairy tell ========== What's the Fairy Tale about it,other than he's the only one with the energy,conviction and motivation to put forth one? We are talking about the same man who supported and voted for TARP as well as voted to raise the debt ceiling aren't we? Doesn't give me the warm and tinglies to believe him much now. I remember a couple years ago debating you on his debt plan at the time and I'm pretty sure I was correct when I said it would do nothing and go nowhere. Of course, bonehead Bohner certainly didn't help but Ryan sure seemed more than willing to compromise everything away.

Re: The "Core" Of Ryan's Budget Plan rrroae #6768197 08/12/12
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OP isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 Northern Virginia	93% of TARP has been paid back with extraordinary interest gains. You'll have to think of something that's a bit more solid than that. The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward

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