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Well, at least the forum isn't as lethargic now as it had been for a while!
As for BT getting stellar results that fly in the face of conventional wisdom regarding older Savage .250's using 100 grain bullets, it's entirely possible. Many have reported the same thing. It's simply explained by vagaries in the actual twist rate of many of those older rifles, as has been discussed ad finitum. A long 100 grain bullet in a true 1-14" twist will not stabilize so as to give bragging accuracy, and it is entirely due to the length, not weight, of the bullet. To make any 100 grainer work it must be a blunt round nosed design, or the twist has to be tightened up. That said, I'll bet most 99's give at least fair hunting accuracy with long incorrect bullets anyway. It's probably all in how we define 'accuracy' anyhow.
BT is quite often right (in a vulgar sort of way), but presents his arguments in such a manner that would get him expelled from any university debating forum. Those times when he's wrong, and proven so conclusively, he rarely (or never) retracts his statements or apologizes. It does make for very entertaining internet drama though!
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
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I stand corrected, you didn't say weight. See how that's done? A real man admits he made a mistake and moves on. Try it, now's your chance... (And it's not the ogive length, it's overall length. A stubby 100 gr. bullet will work just fine, it's only coincidental that the ogive got shortened in the process.) Uh, no, it's the ogive length. Now just admit that the silliness of "ogive length" has nothing to do with stabilizing the bullet, and that it's overall length. Really, you can do it. Just say, "I was mistaken". Baby steps, BT.. baby steps..
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(And it's not the ogive length, it's overall length. A stubby 100 gr. bullet will work just fine, it's only coincidental that the ogive got shortened in the process.) Uh, no, it's the ogive length. Now just admit that the silliness of "ogive length" has nothing to do with stabilizing the bullet, and that it's overall length. Really, you can do it. Just say, "I was mistaken". Baby steps, BT.. baby steps.. If a .25-caliber Nosler 85-grain bullet -- which is slightly shorter than either a Hornady 100-grain SP or "Winchester" 100-grain PSP -- won't stabilize, but the Hornady and Winchester slugs will, what would you say it was, stud? Come on, go dig in that vast resource of internet "knowledge" you have. Dummy.
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum. I do tend to fit in well wherever I go in person. The campfire is the most outside exposure I get. No TV, no newspaper.
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A long 100 grain bullet in a true 1-14" twist will not stabilize so as to give bragging accuracy, and it is entirely due to the length, not weight, of the bullet. And only your special lady friend Callie Gurl suggested otherwise. BT is quite often right (in a vulgar sort of way), but presents his arguments in such a manner that would get him expelled from any university debating forum. Those times when he's wrong, and proven so conclusively, he rarely (or never) retracts his statements or apologizes. When I've actually been proven wrong, I have admitted as such. Your little guru pal focuses on semantics and word usage as a measure of "right" and "wrong." If I have incorrectly identified a rifle he owns, I must therefore be wrong about everything else. If I focus the discussion of acceptable .250-3000 bullets more into the realm of specific characteristics, such as ogive length vice a simple discussion of bullet length, I must be wrong, because he isn't prepared to discuss that subject. These are all marks of a very insecure little person.
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum. I do tend to fit in well wherever I go in person. The campfire is the most outside exposure I get. No TV, no newspaper.
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(And it's not the ogive length, it's overall length. A stubby 100 gr. bullet will work just fine, it's only coincidental that the ogive got shortened in the process.) Uh, no, it's the ogive length. Now just admit that the silliness of "ogive length" has nothing to do with stabilizing the bullet, and that it's overall length. Really, you can do it. Just say, "I was mistaken". Baby steps, BT.. baby steps.. If a .25-caliber Nosler 85-grain bullet -- which is slightly shorter than either a Hornady 100-grain SP or "Winchester" 100-grain PSP -- won't stabilize, but the Hornady and Winchester slugs will, what would you say it was, stud? Come on, go dig in that vast resource of internet "knowledge" you have. Dummy. You're the ONLY one who states unequivocably that the 100gr bullets will stabilize perfectly well in every single pre-1960 250-3000. So.. Have a nice day, BT. Appreciate the chuckles.
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Welcome back Roy! Been aaaaaaay while! Amazingly I JUST referenced you in a post earlier this evening! It was all good son!
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