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The only problem I have with the idea is that Oswald, if he indeed was the shooter, passed up a much easier shot moments before when the car was coming directly at him.
Why wait for a left to right, down hill and curving away.
For me that the hardest kind of shot to make.

TRH,

You can allege I am naive, but to believe what you want me to believe would mean that Dallas PD was in on the conspiracy. That I do not believe.

Here is what I do know is factual: there is an inverse correlation between number of conspirators and ability conceal a conspiracy. The more people who know what happened the less secure the secret.

You gotta get beyond Serpico. It was a film with elaborate use of artistic license. To extrapolate from a single movie pandemic corruption is, well, naive.

TRH,

When did all the players in the JFK murder get together to plan the conspiracy? How did they factor in the murder of a cop? When were the arresting officers brought into the scheme? After the murder of one of their brother officers but before they arrested the murderer? Does this make sense to you?

Ethan Edwards mentioned "compartmentalization." That's an important concept that you seem to be missing. The entire force doesn't need to be in on anything. One or two high level guys need to be only. All the rest, but perhaps one or two, are following orders to get the bad guy.I'm afraid you're mistaken. The man is still alive and well today, and occasionally does interviews. He says that, if anything, the movie understated the extent of the corruption in the NYPD.

The DPD could have been in on it. You don't have to believe that to justify their treatment of Oswald and the Tippet portion of the case though. Also, for the DPD to be involved there would only have to be a couple of guys and not the whole department. If they weren't involved, all the beat cops had to do was think they had the right guy. That was what everybody was told. What is difficult to believe about that?

Compartmentalization would require cops that knew that the murderer of one of their brother officers had escaped justice and were coerced into silence. I don't buy it. It's naive to believe it. Compartmentalization or however how Ethan is rationalizing what he wants to believe would not accord facilitating escape of a cop murderer.

It appears that some here have postured themselves into believing what they want to believe and will rationalize their beliefs using rudimentary reason and logic.

What would you suppose Serpico would say? And how the hell would he know what goes on in every law enforcement agency throughout the country? Does he receive daily briefings? He sold a story. Would he be able to book w/o sensationalism? I'm sure he probably books speaking engagements. He's assuredly living off in his participation in an event that occurred some 40-odd years ago.

When Oswald was arrested, was he in possession of the handgun that was used to murder Officer Tippit? What if any statements did Oswald make to the arresting officers about the murder of Officer Tippit?

Let's assume that a few cops within Dallas PD were in on the conspiracy, and to further the conspiracy they issued orders that other cops knew would have facilitated the escape of a murderer of one of their brother officers. How long would you suppose cops within Dallas PD would have kept that silent?

Your assessment here couldn't be farther from the truth. I once believed what 81% of my fellow American's believe in regards to JFK's assassination. I bought into the notion that it was a conspiracy.

The facts have trumped the theories though, and I now accept them for what they are. The truth.

I admire that you are of the mind to question everything and to be especially critical of anything that the government puts out. It's a healthy mindset to be in.

That said, you are wrong, I have studied this very much in depth. I will be glad to go shot for shot with you on the details. I do acknowledge that the Warren Commission got a lot wrong. That's not the same as some grandiose cover up.

If you consider the mountain of independent research conducted, and much of it conducted with the intent to PROVE a conspiracy, you'll find that they mostly lead to the same result.

No conspiracy, no cover up, Oswald acted alone.

The one's saying otherwise have dismissed all the facts or are simply unaware of them all.

For example, one poster here stated that the blood spatter was over the trunk to the back. That's simply not true. There is a picture of the car at the hospital taken from the rear of the vehicle that shows clearly which direction the mess was made, as it shows where the Secret Service guys had scrubbed on the back of the front seats, etc. Even the Zapruder film shows the spray going forward.

The real facts, not some crap theorist have passed on as facts, all support the notion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

TRH and Raisuli, thank you gents for the newborn shout out. That was very kind and much appreciated. I'm indeed one proud and humbled Dad...

Oswald was a coward. Cowards have a hard time tackling anything head on.

It's not as easy as one would think to look through a scope and see somebodies face, then pull the trigger. Much easier to do so from behind.

Also, as a coward, he didn't want to be spotted...

Always has seemed interesting to slice and dice the known facts, perceptions and theories about the JFK killing - probably always will be. But, the overall facts are that, in keeping with his father and family, JFK was corrupt and largely immoral. So was LBJ, and those who brought off the murder were even more so. Evil begat more evil. That is the main takeaway for me.

Bottom line is LBJ orchestrated the killing. He was as politically corrupt as they come, and the corruption knew no bounds on his quest for the presidency.

LBJ was involved in the Billie Sol Estes scandals in the 50s and 60s, which involved cotton allotment scams and nonexistent fertilizer tanks in West Texas, which I think ultimately culminated in JFK's assassination.

When JFK was killed, LBJ was facing criminal proceedings due to his involvement in the Estes scandals. At least 7 men who were involved mysteriously died when Marshall began his investigations.

Many today don't realize how corrupt LBJ was, and many closed their eyes and ears, much like we're seeing with Obarrassment. People don't want to know
the sad, ugly truth.

Interesting theory. Now where are the facts to support that LBJ killed JFK?

Show me the facts not the theories.

Google it or read the books....you seem to have lots and lots of free time on your employer's dime during the work day.

I wish I could HAJ...I am FIRMLY convinced LBJ was the priciple on this, but like everyone else all I have is gut feelings and heresay evidence...

Norris, Chuck Norris. Lee24 maybe?

HugAJAckass,

Circumstantial evidence is factual. Many convicts were convicted and sentenced to death based solely upon circumstantial evidence.

I've been there amigo. It's not so much what I believe or believed, but where the actual facts take me.

The actual facts all lead to Oswald.

Trust me, I'd be thrilled and would jump up and exclaim "I KNEW THAT RAT BASTARD WAS BEHIND THAT!" if I could find the facts to support it. Sadly, they just don't exist...

So, I'm left following Joe Friday...

Don't pop my bubble now, Ive been clinging desperately to the theory for years...

Circumstantial by definition is not factual. It's logical, but not factual.

You have to recall that many convicts that were sentenced to death based solely upon circumstantial evidence were later found to be completely innocent.

The logic pointed to them, the facts found them to be not guilty.