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Already have a Daniel Defense, don't need a Colt.
Conduct is the best proof of character.
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I guess I see things differently. I would save another $400 and buy a colt. keep worshipping at the mighty mil spec alter.
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You know I went to a gun show today and the one thing that stood out was dpms, cmmg, spikes, frontier plastic something or other and other various cheesy looking lowers and complete guns. People were pouring over them trying to buy before the ban and the most common thing said was basicly "these are just as good as the Colt 6920" (that was $1129) and these others were $800-1000.
You guys buy into the "just as good as" if it makes you feel better. Just don't listen to the guy who stuck a MOE stock, grip and magazine on a dpms sportical and had it priced at $1000.
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ask yourself why is the colt $1120?? mil spec costs money in additional testing, but it also means the gun isn't BETTER than mil spec its only just as good as mil spec. what many fail to see is what if the features are better than mil spec, for instance the mil spec stocks are built for an elf way too short, but a commercial stock is longer, its not mil spec though. a chrome bolt isn't mil spec, but RRA offers it, its easier to clean among other things. mil spec triggers suck, how about something better. RRA 2 stage, not mil spec. the point is decide the features you want and don't be hung up on a brand as long as its reputable.
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ask yourself why is the colt $1120?? mil spec costs money in additional testing, but it also means the gun isn't BETTER than mil spec its only just as good as mil spec. what many fail to see is what if the features are better than mil spec, for instance the mil spec stocks are built for an elf way too short, but a commercial stock is longer, its not mil spec though. a chrome bolt isn't mil spec, but RRA offers it, its easier to clean among other things. mil spec triggers suck, how about something better. RRA 2 stage, not mil spec. the point is decide the features you want and don't be hung up on a brand as long as its reputable. Commercial guns don't even meet the minimum mil spec. Pull down your chicken wing, square up and see if you still run one all the way out. And they're only at best 3/8" longer. I'm 6' 225# and wear a 35" sleeve, I run my SOPMODs on position 3. Chrome bolts were found to be trouble due to embrittlement and ditched a long time ago. But they do sell to the uninformed. Stock triggers are meant to be robust for work not targets. Given 500 rounds most will be very serviceable. RR has a weak link and are far from great out of the box.
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The problem is cheap guns sell quick and are all over the tables. No one wants to admit their bargain gun doesn't work exactly right and worse, most who buy them won't fire enough rounds to find out.
Buy what you want but be an informed purchaser.
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Always amazed that folks have a view on how I spend my money. Silly [bleep] abound it appears.
Conduct is the best proof of character.
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Could care less how you spend your money and have said many times, buy what makes you happy to many here.
Everyone has an opinion and jimmyp simply stated his. I actually countered cumminscowboy to keep the record straight.
So GFY.
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"Mil-Spec is just a minimum requirement"...so if your gun doesn't meet it, what does that say?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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How many will use their AR the way the military does?? A tool fit for a job, not a bunch of money spent on something that will never be fully run through it's courses.. unless you're into that.
If I see a guy do some simple shooting from a bench or some walk-in hunting.. they don't need milspec. But they may have it.
Buy whatever you want. To me it's like GAP insurance. The few that will use it think it's worth every penny.
Justin
P.S. I buy MILSPSC, but don't assume everyone needs it. "The tool should fit the job."
"Jack of all trades, master of none, though oftentimes better than master of one" -Geffray Mynshul
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PSA's are solid rifles. Love my middy.
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Re: "Mil-Spec"
Lotsa folks are paying the same, or more, for less. Which is the real kicker about quality ARs these days. They're all priced the same, but not all built the same.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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When it comes to black rifles there are a lot of folks that "know more than I do" so they with their knowledge base and logic find quality rifles from many manufacturers that I simply in many cases have never heard of before as I am ignorant. I guess I prefer to stay ignorant and have all my rifles go bang all the time.
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Not to flame anyone, but how much milspec does it take? According to their ad, both the barrel and the upper are milspec, and it does seem like a relatively good price. http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...sa-16-m4-premium-black-friday-upper.htmlNow, I don't own this particular upper, but I do own another of theirs, and it works just fine so far (not thousands of rounds through it like other peoples). And to caveat my rifle, it is a plinker primarily for the kids with the possibility of some hunting. It is not a self defense, EOTHWAWKI rifle.
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The funny thing with PSA, is that some of their sale prices today are HIGHER than their normal prices 6+ months ago....
Last edited by UncleJake; 11/25/12.
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The funny thing with PSA, is that some of their sale prices today are HIGHER than their normal prices 6+ months ago.... Yep, last year about this time I bought several lowers from them for $49.99. Now their blemished lowers are selling for $69.99.
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mil-spec these days is about a joke. the only differents you will see in mil-spec and commercial is in stocks. tubes are different diameter.
i don't see where most ar's cost the same either. i can build one cheap for 475.00 or i can spent 1500.00 or more and really not gain much.lots of 700-800 guns out there that are real dependable and accurate
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mil-spec these days is about a joke. the only differents you will see in mil-spec and commercial is in stocks. tubes are different diameter.
i don't see where most ar's cost the same either. i can build one cheap for 475.00 or i can spent 1500.00 or more and really not gain much.lots of 700-800 guns out there that are real dependable and accurate Guys like Pat Rogers who put over 15,000 rounds through them without cleaning, would probably disagree with you. It all depends on how you use them and what you expect. For instance my $450 Krieger barrel will show you plenty of difference in a $475 mutt gun. Or even a $7-800 gun for that matter.
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lots of casual shooters get real fun out of hobby guns, but there is a difference.
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And that is why I am really tempted to sell my PSA in @ 12 months and triple my money.....
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