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Really?

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Jayco

Yeah those big slow moving bullets really blow chit out of meat

We are talking about camp defense. Quick shots and damage. Not 300y.

Sure do when the animal is 150lbs. Why would you ever nees a 45-70 for that?

No reason to limit yourself with a 50yd gun, even if you *think* you will never see more than a 50yd shot. Even at 50yd, the 45/70 is so much more accurate than any 12 ga slug, especially a Foster type, that is a ludicrous comparison.

Limited, as in none. makes my opinion no less valid. A gun is a gun, regardless of where its used.

Lastly, the 45/70, or in my case, the .444, destroys no more meat than anything else. Again, you are showing your ignorance. Shot placement and bullet selection play a far larger role in meat preservation that bore size.

So a .45-70 with a 500gr bullet at 1500fps destroys meat, but a 12ga. with a 1oz(437.5gr) slug at the same fps doesnt....


Makes prefect sense to me

But..but..its all about camp defense. You know, buck-slug-buck-slug for those alternating waves of Grizzly and Ptarmigan.

I'm curious about the camp defense thing.

I get the idea of having something for defense in heavy cover, but it seems like keeping any long gun constantly at arms length is cumbersome, not to mention heavy. Doesn't a handgun or a can of spray make your entire trip more comfortable?

But then when you say tundra, to me that sounds like open country. That sounds like a situation where a 45-70 might be ideal.

Easy easy, dont you have some 32-20 to reload?

Your right about the 45-70 in camp. But the point Im making is; there is no situation where a 45-70 would rain supreme. In camp I feel a 12ga is a better defense. On the premise that it can spray fast shots in a hurry with power. On the tundra a 300M would be better because of its range. Name a situation where a 45-70 would ever be the rifle of choice.

So now a 12 ga is faster that a lever gun?

By a dumb kid no less
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Im sure I could go on youtube and find a guy fireing a 12ga faster. NEXT!

Yep that's the point I am making.
Arguing that either gun is faster is pointless.

Oh, good Lord.

Shotguns are a [bleep] compromise for anything but wing shooting.

Me personally,i like lever guns. But the Marlin in 45/70 isn't a gun everyone can handle.

I'll say one thing for the OP, when he's wrong, he's all the way wrong. No second-guessing or anything like that, total, 100% jump in with both feet wrong.

Probably voted Democrat, too.

So now you're saying a 12ga and a 300win is better than a 45-70...
Sorry, I've gotta side with your brother.
Edit,
I just reread your original post and there too you were mixing Camp defense and hunting for meat, rifle/shotgun, so yes I'm confused.

Dude is looking for someone to back him up in arguing with his brother.... And he's wrong.. lol!!

I'll take the 45-70 over the shotgun any day.


If you are looking for an "out" route in your losing argument with your brother, then tell him to have a look at the .450 marlin.

Really no better than the 45-70 with modern " + pressure" loads like buffalo bore etc, but he won't have to shop as hard for high energy.

350 gr, 3427 ft lbs


A big ole stout jacketed bullet from a rifle barrel.

For when "spraying" lead turds through a pipe doesn't cut the mustard.

lol!!

Just curious what is your brother "defending the camp" against?

I've shot deer with every caliber he's mentioned, and the .45-70 was, especially with hardcast, the least destructive of tissue of any of them, including the .30-30 Winchester. Well, the Hornady 300 grainers at 2200+ FPS mv were a bit on the destructive side. The Speer UniCors solved that problem.

The hardcasts will go through a lot more animal than a deer, and with very little bloodshot meat. But they break everything that gets in their way.