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I'm just taking the numbers from Carter Niemeyer. He handled over 300 of them in MT/WY/ID. He has "street cred" or whatever that translates to in the field.


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I heard they got up to 400 pounds and have even developed venom.

Generic mutations its called.

No [bleep], I heard it from my uncles buddy. Word is PA game commission is behind it. They bred 'em in their labradorys to kill deer and its all paid for by the insurance compoanys.

All good though, me and the boyz is fixin to turn a couple hunnert pit bulls loose on 'em. I heard they were "gripping dogs". Its gonna be badazz!!!

I'll try an take some pictures.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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An animal like this don't need no 'pack' to get the drop on a friggen boxer.

Ghost, you're right that he'd likely win by mere size advantage, assuming the Boxer didn't get hold quickly.

With certain breeds of dog, it's just the opposite. Human selection has concentrated in certain breeds a high degree of disregard for personal injury and a determination to hold on a bite.


You take a full grown wild canine that has been fighting & killing to survive it's whole life & it isn't gonna be much of a contest between a wild animal & a domestic dog...I don't care how BADASS you THINK he is...

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Originally Posted by JOG
The tale in the OP is bullcrap. A 65-lb boxer tangles with a wolf near the house, the fight carries across a creek where the boxer is subdued and held in the wolf's jaws, yet the boxer is fine except for a two puncture holes.

Yeah, right.

Agree.....


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Originally Posted by Middlefork_Miner

You take a full grown wild canine that has been fighting & killing to survive it's whole life & it isn't gonna be much of a contest between a wild animal & a domestic dog...I don't care how BADASS you THINK he is...
Wolves actually don't do much if any real fighting. They try to have the odds stacked substantially in their favor when they pursue game, and amongst themselves their fights don't amount to much, since the pecking order is held fairly stable. Winners and losers in their fights are determined quickly, and mostly after a lot of harmless threat display and posturing, rather than real gripping.

Think about it. Were it otherwise, wolves in the wild (both fight winners and fight losers) would be constantly dealing with bite wounds, and bite wounds in the wild tend to become infected and kill those that have them. This would tend to prevent the determined-fighting characteristic that you believe they possess from passing on to the next generation.

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When wolf meets dog, the Las Vegas odds makers immediately put up a line, 10,000:1 for the wolf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoszVLRP6U


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You don't get outside much do you trh....


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Originally Posted by BrentD
When wolf meets dog, the Las Vegas odds makers immediately put up a line, 10,000:1 for the wolf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoszVLRP6U
I've seen that before. Coyotes aren't boar dogs, bull dogs, or pit dogs, and that wasn't a one on one confrontation.

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And when he does, he ain't on a learnin' safari.


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coyote vs your dog....coyote wins


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by BrentD
When wolf meets dog, the Las Vegas odds makers immediately put up a line, 10,000:1 for the wolf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoszVLRP6U
I've seen that before. Coyotes aren't boar dogs, bull dogs, or pit dogs, and that wasn't a one on one confrontation.


Wouldn't have made any difference. A coyote is just not anywhere a match for a wolf. There may be two or three breeds of big mean dogs that might whip a wolf but they wouldn't be left in any kind of condition to ever fight again.

That ain't Disney World out where they live. They have to kill something every few days just to stay alive so either they get good at it very early in life or they die. Dogs don't live their life like that. Rare is the dog that ever kills anything at all, maybe a rabbit, squirrel, or somebody's house cat on rare occasion but the wild ones kill or die. Somehow, you gotta try hard to understand that. Your viscous pit dog wouldn't last three seconds with a coyote; less with a wolf.


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Yup.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Middlefork_Miner

You take a full grown wild canine that has been fighting & killing to survive it's whole life & it isn't gonna be much of a contest between a wild animal & a domestic dog...I don't care how BADASS you THINK he is...
Wolves actually don't do much if any real fighting. They try to have the odds stacked substantially in their favor when they pursue game, and amongst themselves their fights don't amount to much, since the pecking order is held fairly stable. Winners and losers in their fights are determined quickly, and mostly after a lot of harmless threat display and posturing, rather than real gripping.

Think about it. Were it otherwise, wolves in the wild (both fight winners and fight losers) would be constantly dealing with bite wounds, and bite wounds in the wild tend to become infected and kill those that have them. This would tend to prevent the determined-fighting characteristic that you believe they possess from passing on to the next generation.


Guess what you idiot... wild wolves are some pretty tore up scarred up critters. Wolves not part of a pack are subject to killing for simple trespass if they re caught. Packs will not infrequently go after each other. Jeezuz you live in a freaking fairy tale world. I have seen a few caged wolves that weren't scarred up, but most of them get tore up regular. I can't tell you how many wolves I've seen getting patched up on a surgery table. It wasn't the local neighborhood dogs that did it either.

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Can a baboon whip a wolf ? wink


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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Can a baboon whip a wolf ? wink


I'll bet you that baboons are pretty careful of tangling with African wild dogs.

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These vids are more relevant to our discussion than that one.




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That might be a draw.


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Notice the dogs wear protective vests...how about without?

and then how about one on one?

trh you are out of your element. NO dog has a chance against a wolf........


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This whole debate was fully resolved already by the movie White Fang. grin

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Originally Posted by crossfireoops
Can a baboon whip a wolf ? wink


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