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Meeting over with the DA.
My response verbally.
Will there be walk thru or hand held security weapon detectors at the court house entrance or court room?
DA - No
Will there be additional law enforcement in place?
DA - No Bailiff and Deputy Sheriff escorting defendant from jail.
Will the judge be armed?
DA - Do not know and will not ask him. I'd say you had some valid concerns with the way they run the courthouse, thats a pretty damnb laxed way of running things. Around here you can't get into the courthouse for any reason with out going through a metal detector first. "Around here you can't get into the courthouse for any reason with out going through a metal detector first." Same in Fairfax County, VA.
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Meeting over with the DA.
DA started by stating the specific reason for the meeting.
1) Did I have specific knowledge that the defendant's, defendant's families or associates issue threats of violence against present or prior judges, law enforcement or jurors?
My reply. No
2) Determine the basis for my objection to serving on a jury due to safety concerns.
My response verbally.
Will there be walk thru or hand held security weapon detectors at the court house entrance or court room?
DA - No
Will there be additional law enforcement in place?
DA - No Bailiff and Deputy Sheriff escorting defendant from jail.
Will the judge be armed?
DA - Do not know and will not ask him.
My lawyer summed up the question and answer session briefly.
"There are going to be violent defendants in your courthouse with known connections to out of state gangs and past criminal records and you demonstrated here today that there is no heightened concern for public safety. It will be business as usual.
My client has deemed serving on a jury under these circumstances not safe unless extraordinary safety measures are put in place or he is allowed to petition the judge for permission to conceal carry a handgun. He asks that you take his objection to serve on a jury to the judge for consideration of a jury exclusion." Well I learned something out of that.
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IMHO: Your chances of avoiding showing up for jury duty: zero Your chances of getting into the courthouse armed: zero Your chances of being chosen to actually be on the jury:zero
Please let us know how this all turns out!
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Roundoak, are you going to serve on the jury if you can't carry?
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Roundoak, are you going to serve on the jury if you can't carry? I will not have to make that decision. If the judge dismisses my safety concern objection and places me in the jury pool, my lawyer assures me that I have a prejudiced position that will disqualify me from jury duty.
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Meeting over with the DA.
My response verbally.
Will there be walk thru or hand held security weapon detectors at the court house entrance or court room?
DA - No
Will there be additional law enforcement in place?
DA - No Bailiff and Deputy Sheriff escorting defendant from jail.
Will the judge be armed?
DA - Do not know and will not ask him. I'd say you had some valid concerns with the way they run the courthouse, thats a pretty damnb laxed way of running things. Around here you can't get into the courthouse for any reason with out going through a metal detector first. "Around here you can't get into the courthouse for any reason with out going through a metal detector first." Same in Fairfax County, VA. Around here, where I like to live, away from flippin azz big cities, there has never been and probably never will as long as I'll live, be a metal detector. hell most dont' even know what one would look like. In fact I was after someone today to ask a question and I poked my head into the courtroom while trial was on, saw he was not there and ducked back odd. Nod to the LEO and nothing else....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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This whole thing frustrates me.
The jury is easily the most important part of the entire criminal justice system. I've seen the damage idiot, biased or apathetic jurors can do and it's tragic.
Serving on a jury is a privilege most people in the world couldn't fathom having access to and one that most in the US seem to avoid. I'll likely never be given the opportunity to serve on a jury that matters and it's frustrating to see good, common sense filled people (ideal jurors) intentionally jeopardizing or outright ruining their chances to do something good for everyone else.
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This whole thing frustrates me.
The jury is easily the most important part of the entire criminal justice system. I've seen the damage idiot, biased or apathetic jurors can do and it's tragic.
Serving on a jury is a privilege most people in the world couldn't fathom having access to and one that most in the US seem to avoid. I'll likely never be given the opportunity to serve on a jury that matters and it's frustrating to see good, common sense filled people (ideal jurors) intentionally jeopardizing or outright ruining their chances to do something good for everyone else. My elderly mother used to say, "never pass up an opportunuity to clean up the town that you call home". Like the other poster, I always make the defense use one of their strikes to get rid of my butt.
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Nicely done sir and this should serve as a reminder to those of us who like to shoot our mouths off pretending to be "experts" on whatever subject is at hand. I'll bet there are a few people who are wishing they had kept quiet until hearing from you again.
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"There are going to be violent defendants in your courthouse with known connections to out of state gangs and past criminal records and you demonstrated here today that there is no heightened concern for public safety. It will be business as usual.
My client has deemed serving on a jury under these circumstances not safe unless extraordinary safety measures are put in place or he is allowed to petition the judge for permission to conceal carry a handgun. He asks that you take his objection to serve on a jury to the judge for consideration of a jury exclusion." Sir, I tip my hat to you (and your attorney ), I'm buying you an e-beer:
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I'll bet there are a few people who are wishing they had kept quiet until hearing from you again. *ahem* I'm one of 'em, I really thought that roundoak was going to get chewed up by "the system".
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I just want to see what the DA does with the curve ball I threw him. it's frustrating to see good, common sense filled people (ideal jurors) intentionally jeopardizing or outright ruining their chances to do something good for everyone else. Si. You should've been fighting to get on that jury instead of playing pitcher. Throw curveballs after you put the bad guys in jail. IMHO
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I had jury duty abotu a month ago. Older lady on trial for assalting her lesbian lover, while drink.
Peak of the rut, beautiful day.. the very smart defense attorney looked at me and immediatly knew that I had a guilty verdict in my heart...(grin) Was dismissed when she asked me what I thought about gays... and drunks.
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There never has been, nor never will be a time in which the system doesn't need to also be held accountable. "Because I said so" is rarely, if ever truly acceptable. Even children know this fact.
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Well that went better than I thought. Which is good for you.
And no offense, but I also agree that one should try to get on a jury with the intent of being impartial.
I can't get on one since I'm LE. But I could do a civil trial. Almost got one once. But it had something to do with a guy who was divorced and had custody issues. Since I did as well, they booted me.
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Thanks for the beer, it was very refreshing.
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This whole thing frustrates me.
The jury is easily the most important part of the entire criminal justice system. I've seen the damage idiot, biased or apathetic jurors can do and it's tragic.
Serving on a jury is a privilege most people in the world couldn't fathom having access to and one that most in the US seem to avoid. I'll likely never be given the opportunity to serve on a jury that matters and it's frustrating to see good, common sense filled people (ideal jurors) intentionally jeopardizing or outright ruining their chances to do something good for everyone else. My take on the initial thing is that it was to stand up for a right. And that if it failed roundoak would serve no questions asked. I may be wrong in that assumption. Of course when I go to jury duty I don't say anything that will nullify me. I'd prefer to be there and dish it out right or wrong. I"ve been on some where IMHO the LEO side was way wrong IE a speeding ticket, and some where the defenedant needs to stay in jail longer than they'll allow us to punish em for... Eveyrone should serve.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I had jury duty abotu a month ago. Older lady on trial for assalting her lesbian lover, while drink.
Peak of the rut, beautiful day.. the very smart defense attorney looked at me and immediatly knew that I had a guilty verdict in my heart...(grin) Was dismissed when she asked me what I thought about gays... and drunks. About ten years ago I had to report for jury duty on November 15th, opening day of the Michigan firearms deer season. So I'm sitting in my chair at 8:00am waiting for us to be called to a courtroom for jury selection. They're really strict here. If you don't show up by 8:00 they'll send a sheriff's car to your house to pick you up. Well it's almost 9:30 when a court clerk walks in and tells us we're going to get a late start, Judge Crane was out deer hunting. I was sitting in the front row, one look at my face and the clerk thought it might be a good idea to exit the room as quickly as possible.
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never had any doubt this would be a non-issue. I also am surprised that there is no metal detector. I have been in courtrooms all over the country and have never seen one without!
As a LEO, I was summoned for jury duty half dozen times. I always managed to make the defense waste a strike on me no matter how hard they tried to disqualify me.
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