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Originally Posted by Laguna
J23,

You are 100% absolutely right on the money.


You and J23 oughta' go [bleep] each other........than make a suicide pact.

Where's the goddam troll spray ?



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Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoiler
I don't think it would even be possible.


If it's registered it's possible, they'll lean your house.







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Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoiler
I don't think it would even be possible.


If it's registered it's possible, they'll lean your house.


Well in most states that would require going to each and every firearm dealer and getting the original copy of the 4473 and then tracking it down thru multiple owners once it left the original point of sale.

Good luck with that, any seizure or confiscation isn't going to last long at all. A few knocks on the wrong door and they'll get pretty skittish and rethink the entire thing quickly. It won't take many and don't tell me there aren't gun owners out there with nothing to lose.

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They aren't very efficient at collecting taxes either whistle


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Originally Posted by NathanL
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoiler
I don't think it would even be possible.


If it's registered it's possible, they'll lean your house.


Well in most states that would require going to each and every firearm dealer and getting the original copy of the 4473 and then tracking it down thru multiple owners once it left the original point of sale.

Good luck with that, any seizure or confiscation isn't going to last long at all. A few knocks on the wrong door and they'll get pretty skittish and rethink the entire thing quickly. It won't take many and don't tell me there aren't gun owners out there with nothing to lose.


I really hope that you are right!!!!!!

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Mulga,

That it such a sad photo. I'm sure your government & the British government are advising our politicians how to effectuate confiscation. And it all begins with lies. "We only want your semiautos..."

All truth passes through three stages. First, it's ridiculed. Second it's violently opposed. Third, it's accepted as being self-evident. Our self-evident truth will be exposed when confiscation occurs in America.

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Originally Posted by Mulga
A photo of the Australian confiscation. Guns ariving at the smelter frown

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That just pisses me off..... mad


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Originally Posted by NathanL
Originally Posted by Barkoff
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoiler
I don't think it would even be possible.


If it's registered it's possible, they'll lean your house.


Well in most states that would require going to each and every firearm dealer and getting the original copy of the 4473 and then tracking it down thru multiple owners once it left the original point of sale.

Good luck with that, any seizure or confiscation isn't going to last long at all. A few knocks on the wrong door and they'll get pretty skittish and rethink the entire thing quickly. It won't take many and don't tell me there aren't gun owners out there with nothing to lose.


NathanL,

As Mulga explained, violation of gun confiscation in Australia exposes the violator to a 15 year prison sentence.

I don't envision much door knocking. I envision Americans being told where to surrender their guns and the severe punishment for noncompliance. Therefore, nearly all Americans, being law abiding by nature, will report to specified kiosks in order to surrender their weapons. Further, I envision rewards for Americans who inform on their friends, neighbors, etc. who have not complied with confiscation law. Moreover, at every range I have used, I have had to record my name, which is a record of gun ownership. And then there's records of Internet purchases of ammunition and gun supplies.

I honestly do not believe it will be difficult for our government to confiscate our guns. And I don't think it will take much time to complete. Voluntary compliance will be substantial, especially under threat of long prison sentences. Just the cost of hiring a lawyer to defend an allegation of violating confiscation law will cause financial ruin to those charged. How many Americans will be willing to expose themselves to such consequences?

Just grist for analysis. I might be wrong. But I doubt it.

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I still think you are wrong. Without records what is the motivation to surrender them, it might have worked in other countries where they knew where all the guns were.

So if I don't hand over my guns that they don't know I have I become a crimminal with up to a 15 year sentence...but if I keep them they have to find them via some other method in my house like a warrant. Yeah I'll play that game all day long and about 80 million other gun owners.

Of course there's a lot of people who own guns with nothing to lose. The old saying about how "when it becomes time to hide your guns - it is time to start using them".

Even if they outlaw some guns they would have to rewrite 200 years of case law about getting the information on who has them via records and sales receipts. I don't think the country has gone that far over the cliff - not yet anyway.

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NathanL,

A credible informant who knows you have a gun subject to confiscation law that you have not surrendered would result in a search warrant.

NathanL, as a retired cop, I can tell you that there are many methods of obtaining information of criminality. I wouldn't rely upon records as the sole method of triggering an investigation. If your neighbor told a cop that he saw you in possession of a gun that you were supposed to surrender under confiscation law, your freedom would be momentary. If a search warrant is issued, all guns in your home will be seized as you will become a felony suspect.

Remember that in the few cases in which cops or national guard troops would have to respond to a home to seize guns from those not in compliance are following orders of those who were ordered by politicians who crafted confiscation law. I will not harm anyone, especially a cop, who is following orders, which will assuredly be issued under threat to the officer/troops. It will not be their fault your guns are seized.

We should have seen this coming a long time ago. When politicians duped us into accepting gun control compromises we should have predicted that their agenda was incremental confiscation.

To my way of looking at this, dying before your guns are confiscated ain't wise. It's a better idea to try to reverse such legislation by electing authentic American patriots who'll adhere to our constitution and restore our rights guaranteed by Madison's Second Amendment. Dying and killing people ordered to do a job they assuredly would rather not is not the right response.

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As a retired cop how many doors would you knock on an execute a warrant after a few of them started shooting back when you pulled up in the driveway? That's my point. It won't take many.


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Originally Posted by gunchamp
Originally Posted by GeoW
Maybe we are a step closer to finding out the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment....

I will support and will defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;.... So help me God..
Agreed


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Originally Posted by NathanL
As a retired cop how many doors would you knock on an execute a warrant after a few of them started shooting back when you pulled up in the driveway? That's my point. It won't take many.


NathanL,

Please read this. I am trying to help you. If cops/national guard troops even remotely believe you pose a threat to their safety, you will not win. That, my friend, is a bankable fact. I was told by a former LAPD officer who was at he SLA shootout that another LAPD officer threw a road flare into the SLA's fortified house and burned them out. If I remember correctly, no SLA member lived. And they were very heavily armed. Cops do not die. Bad guys do.

I recently watched a Military Channel program on the British's SAS, the original special forces. They and Navy Seals are the epitome of special forces responding to deadly threats. The SAS has an incredible record of not losing. In fact, the SAS does not lose. When they are called in to action they do not take prisoners. They do not lose. How many SAS units do you think the British government would loan to Obama in order to effectuate confiscation?

If confiscation becomes law, my advice is to comply and then try to reverse it. If your response is to fight, your guns will be seized while your body is transported for autopsy.

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Originally Posted by NathanL
On a deep down level I would like to see them try and seize them. They might find out what the 2A was about to begin with then.


AHHHH. my new best friedn.
I have been preaching this for years. If were gonna do this thing lets do it before I am chiting in a bag and too old to be of any use.
To add... it isnt gonna happen becasue 40% of this counties men are not able to do 10 push-ups or 3 pull-ups. They are fat lazy pieces of cowardly chit who wouldnt turn off a football game to save a child. The other 60%...well half of them would turn in thier guns if they were threatened with losing a tax write off or told thier insurance rates would go up.
I ask WHO? look around today at the "men" you see. Those guys? These people are gonna fight it out in the streets? My Black ass!
No this country is doomed becasue no body has fire in thier sack anymore.

Either you guys are watching too much TV or your starting to belive the chit tales yoursining at the gunshop counter yourself.
These Americans...If they are told that having X is now illegal and if they turn it in they can get a $400 best buy card there will be a fking line around the corner. If they are threatened with jail time they will rat out anyone they know who has them.1
This breed of "men"?
These overweight, high Bp, prediabetic, burger munchers? BS!
How many of these "men" were boy scouts? Served in the Military or police? How many people do you come into contact with that have NEVER BEEN IN A FISTFIGHT? But yet they all talk chit about what they would do if the FEDs came to take thier guns.
Right.
Aint gonna do chit is what. open the safe and stand in the yard with a smile offering coffee tea and a BJ from the wife to stay out of lock-up.
This aint fking Red Dawn and these fkers aint The Wolverines.
they'd be too busy checking facebook, playing fantasy football and checking NASCAR standing to even care.


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Do you think it's likely that Feds will confiscate Semi autos?

Naaah!

They ain't gonna worry much 'bout motor bikes for a while yet.

Go back to sleep. It's only a bad dream.


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Originally Posted by J23
Again, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, nor am I suggesting I know everything.. but if you look at history, and you take a look at the current situation, it is hard to deny that, if not this go'round, but eventually, the forces of liberalism are going to win out and SOME sort of ban will be passed, restricting ownership to some degree [which of course will never be enough, each one of these anti-gun bills are nothing but a stepping stone to a gun free America.]

Historically, for goodness sake, look! Ask your friend Mr. Canadian how he likes shooting his handguns and his AR15's? Half of the British Police force aren't permitted to carry a sidearm.. and Australians lined up en mass to hand in their semi-autos.. and I'm sure if you could go back in time, there were discussions amongst them all that, "I'm not turning anything in!" or "Not here, they're afraid of a civil war, or being voted out of office!

As someone previously pointed out, I didn't see any large scale, or even small scale protests during the Clinton AWB? Most people complied, and if you look through the archives of most forums that were around during that ban, you will read posts such as guy's asking who makes the 'coolest looking compensator?' There isn't going to be any large scale riots or uprisings, at best, you will have a select few who resist through non compliance, and are imprisoned, or some kind of repeat of Ruby Ridge.

These liberals aren't afraid of anything. They have learned that the vast majority of this country don't care. The ones that do, assemble peacefully with their little signs and are belittled nationally by our liberal media. Our society is fed a diet of crap from the media, and our children are being indoctrinated into socialism every day in school, while you work so a healthy portion of your paycheck can support welfare drug addicts, people abusing SSI disability, people trading their food stamps for money and dope, and our government spending it on ridiculous budgets that none of us agree on. And we all take it, everyday, lying down. Ok, I'm not paying my taxes. Fine, the IRS will take everything you own, or ever will own, and lock you up for a healthy portion of your life. That's why no one 'resists' through noncompliance when it comes to taxes.

Again.. look at the way they shoved the stimulus, these bailouts, Obamacare, and all of these EPA regulations [most people don't even realize the damage the EPA has done in the past few years!!!] down our throats, as we gagged while trying to complain about it.. several weeks later, we were on to something else. Look at, most recently, this Fiscal Cliff ordeal. People complaining with enthusiasm.. I haven't seen the liberal big government spending crowds shaking in their boots. They are holding their ground, and holding it hard. They aren't budging, and they aren't going to budge on gun control legislation, just like they didn't budge on the bailouts, the stimulus, and Obamacare, where they freaking VOTED ON IT, SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT WAS IN IT!!!!

Liberals don't worry about being voted out of a liberal jurisdiction, in what is becoming a liberal country. Look at Feinstiein. Look at Harry Reid. Reelected each year without so much as a hiccup. Heck, look at OBAMA!!! On paper, it's hard to fathom how he got elected in the first election!!! BUT HE DID.

THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS DON'T CARE, OR THEY CARE FOR FIVE MINUTES THEN FORGET. These liberals know that, it's no secret, and that is how they are going to shove this piece of junk legislation up our rear ends, just as they have Obamacare, stimulus, the bailouts, the purchase of GM and Chrysler with our tax dollars, ect. It's gonna happen, and probably in 2013.
Ultimately, to bring their full agenda to fruition, they believe they must eliminate effective small arms from the population at large, and have, as you say, demonstrated a willingness to ignore overwhelming unpopularity of their activities in the past when they were important to their larger objectives, i.e., ignore the will of the majority.

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Originally Posted by Diesel
I don't own any AR's or such (yet) but do own semi auto shotguns. How likely is it that the government could take someone's semi's.

I'm betting they'll sure as hell try...

You know these liberals - "never let a crisis go to wasted.."


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Originally Posted by Laguna
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As a retired cop how many doors would you knock on an execute a warrant after a few of them started shooting back when you pulled up in the driveway? That's my point. It won't take many.


NathanL,

Please read this. I am trying to help you. If cops/national guard troops even remotely believe you pose a threat to their safety, you will not win. That, my friend, is a bankable fact. I was told by a former LAPD officer who was at he SLA shootout that another LAPD officer threw a road flare into the SLA's fortified house and burned them out. If I remember correctly, no SLA member lived. And they were very heavily armed. Cops do not die. Bad guys do.

I recently watched a Military Channel program on the British's SAS, the original special forces. They and Navy Seals are the epitome of special forces responding to deadly threats. The SAS has an incredible record of not losing. In fact, the SAS does not lose. When they are called in to action they do not take prisoners. They do not lose. How many SAS units do you think the British government would loan to Obama in order to effectuate confiscation?

If confiscation becomes law, my advice is to comply and then try to reverse it. If your response is to fight, your guns will be seized while your body is transported for autopsy.
What you dont get is there are more than you think willing to die for our rights. Gun owners in America more than make up the largest army in all the world. We lose our right to own a gun and all is lost!

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"The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands ... It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops."

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Madison's #46 was constrained and limited to his knowledge of existing weapons,lethal and non-lethal,in possession of the government during that era.


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