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Monty Python and the Theory of Buckshot.


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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
it depends on how far you anticipate shooting. At room distances bird shot has not had time to dispurse and you get a thick pattern.
Try 00 buck at about 30 yards and see what you get.
number four is a much denser cloud even tho the individual pellets are not as heavy as 00, but you get more of them. There is a guy in the area here that does do a number on the chamber mouth of shotguns that makes them shoot longer5.


a 1 1/4 ounce column of lead travelling 1200 fps in a 12' x 12' room ..what difference does it make it ? it will cut whatever it hits in half.

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I'm surprised steel shot hasn't been mentioned yet.


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I like Bismuth....


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I've seen plenty folks killed with steel...no Bismuth though. I'm thinking it's too expensive to waste on gabboons.


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00, think nine .357 magnum rounds all at the same time laugh. The first two rounds are 00, then slugs if I need to dig deeper into the tube. I added a night light to mine which I really like since I live out in the weeds and it better than fumbling with a flashlight if I have to go outside when things go bump in the night.


I would never trust my life to birdshot, just not enough energy.


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Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman

I would never trust my life to birdshot, just not enough energy.


I would. The only reason we don't consider using it professionally is because it's considered cruel when humans are the intended target. Think eyes.


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Yep. wouldnt want to be cruel while I was using deadly force...


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You know the drill.


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
Of course the coyote and deer killing analogies are wonderful arguments when we are discussing stopping a meth head.


I am sure the quick reply was utilized and you were mentioning the deer as to the poster who said it would kill a whitetail.

My reasoning had nothing to do with killing a coyote but having to do with what I have on hand and what is in the shotgun at the time. I have heard arguements for and against birdshot vs #4 vs OO and #4 comes recommended along with the other. I feel like home defense ranges they will all probably work and I've got #4 in the shotgun which will probably still be in the shotgun cause I imagine I will probably have grabbed the 45 and used it.

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I have my short black shotguns loaded with #1 buck. 16 .30 pellets packed into on shell. Talk about high capicity.



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Depends on the anticipated area of use and range. Having said that, I have two defensive shotguns. One - with a pistol grip, no stock, chamber limited to 2 1/2" shells only - I keep loaded with #1 shot. The other, with a regular stock, extended magazine, and 3" chamber, I keep loaded with #00 shot. For anticipated close range, maybe 30 feet or so, the #4 shot would do just fine. Anything farther than that, I would want larger shot. I would not want to be on the business end of any of them. JMHO,YMMV. Hopefully, neither of us will have reason to report results.

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I just checked the ole sawed- off Mod 37 behind the door. Two #4 buck, one 00 buck and one #6 lead, in no particular order. smile

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I have some nice Platinum 00 custom hand loads. smile


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman

I would never trust my life to birdshot, just not enough energy.


I would. The only reason we don't consider using it professionally is because it's considered cruel when humans are the intended target. Think eyes.


Yup thats the first round in a bear defensive shotgun, can't see can't smell.

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Have a Mossy 500 with 3-inch chamber. For 3-inch 00-buck you get 15 pellets rather than 9 for 2-3/4 inch. For #4 buck in 3-inch you get 41 pellets instead of 27 in 2-3/4 inch. I have both and plan to pattern them.


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Seen 2 people intentionally shot with 00 buck. One was about 90 yards away on foot, the other was through a windshield. Neither died but both were stopped. One deer about 50 yards, it went down like it was hit with a hammer but required finishing shots. Never seen anything shot with #4 buck. Just my .02

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Winchester X12C1B 20 pellets of copper plated #1 Buck in a 2-3/4" hull.

It's very bad chit up close.

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Originally Posted by DaddyRat
Seen 2 people intentionally shot with 00 buck. One was about 90 yards away on foot, the other was through a windshield. Neither died but both were stopped. One deer about 50 yards, it went down like it was hit with a hammer but required finishing shots. Never seen anything shot with #4 buck. Just my .02


a 90 yard shot at anything with 00 buck is always a bad idea.

I hunted in a state for 27 years that only allowed Buckshot...One Buck a year and a doe during doe day. We used 00 and 000 when available. These were shots up to maybe a max of 50 yards out of a cylinder bore and in most cases a modified choke. We used #4 Buck a few times on deer and it was pretty effective as well. Inside a house confronting an intruder I doubt it makes a gnats azz difference between all the loads except birdshot.

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