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What are you shooting buckshot or slugs? Buckshot at 90 is praying.

DD, do you know if the police ever pattern their shotguns with different loads?

I wonder what choke they use, also.

Pattern professionally? I doubt it, but we qualify with it all the time. Most "police" guns are cylinder bore.

I'm sora like Terry. My own preference is toward 0 buck, rather than 00 as I get three more pellets and I don't give up anything in penetration.

Now, if I were having to pick between #4 and OO buck, I'd opt for 00.

Yep. They get patterned quite often. We ended up going with Federal 00 "Tactical" loads for our 870's.

They are loaded with "flitecontrol" wads that pretty much land 9 pellets in 2" at 15 yards or so.

This from cylinder bore shotguns, and from a few Improved Cylinder.

Dunno I'd disagree with ET on planning analysis. Probably because social debate is a variable thing I don't personally depend on a single menu item. Simply put, if I want to shoot thru walls I will. I concluded long ago that multiple choice tests were more enjoyable than essays, so enter into social discourse with an open mind I say.

It was suggested above that only experience with shooting people is relevant to the debate and I'm not going to sign off on the idea any more than the US Government does or has in the past. Ballistic tests are all well and good, but experience works pretty well for me. What my experience says is that at reasonably close range buckshot is a quicker killer than rifle or pistol bullets on game animals. I define close range as 30 yards or less. Smaller diameter buck is more effective than large, across the board, my reasons for saying this already enumerated. Having said this, I readily admit the perspective is counter to beliefs I held in younger days.

The number and species of game animals I've taken in my life is substantial. So far as the applied style of weapon, it would be about 50/50 for rifles and shotguns with a smattering of pistol kills thrown into the mix. Rifles win at longer range certainly but short of explosives, nothing trumps a shotgun at close range IMO.

Lastly, I've seen about as many people go down as critters and jerked to trigger on more than a few, this with M16s, M60s etc. Comparatively speaking, people are a whole bunch easier to stop than critters.

End of my contribution to this debate, carry on.

I've done a little shooting with a 12 gauge inside a room. I saw muzzle flashes but due to auditory exclusion, did not hear the shots.

The often overlooked BB Shot..

That would be a select SLUG drill, I said NOTHING about buckshot at 90yd. My cyl bore 870 will put three Rem low recoil slugs into eight inches at 100yd.

Thanks CT. I know that years ago we found that some shotguns also didn't shoot to point of aim.

We used to pattern our duty shotguns quarterly along with qualifying with them and our side arms and rifles.

00 Buck is my preference based on seeing bad guys shot with it and going to shooting/homicide scenes.

Ghost Ring sights, side-saddles, 2 3/4" Brenneke slugs, and a Vang Comp'ed barrel is the ticket.
9" patterns of Federal Premuim 00 Buck (2 3/4") @ 25yds, were the norm. Other guys' shotguns preferred Remington ammo. I could keep 8 of the 9 pellets on a Brussels target @ 50 yds if I really paid attention to the sights. 2 1/2" groups @ 100yds with the Brenneke slugs were also the norm.

There's not much you can't kill with a shotgun.

Ed

Here is your response to my post of 00 at 90 yards a bad idea


Slugs yes 00 no at 90 yards

Double dog anyone to stand in front of someone at 90 yards throwing 00 buck.

I'll TRIPLE-Dog dare 'em!

Ed

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Can you guarantee hitting a person at 90 yards with 00 buck on a consistent basis vs a rifle slug ?

I think steel is only required if the bad guys are migratory. Then there is that thing about a 3 shot plug too.

LOL

" 2 1/2" groups @ 100yds with the Brenneke slugs were also the norm."

You might consider bringing that to our next PD hunt.......... leave that ugly black thing at the house.

Just for the discussion, seen two bad guys take #4 Buck and still want to play. 00 for close to mid range and slugs on out would be my choice.

YMMV

The Vang back boring & lengthening the forcing cone are primarily for buck/pellet pattern improvements, right?

Did/does the Vang comp impact slug accuracy as well?

Thanks