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Velocity seems to be the enemy of buckshot performance. Always seems like the lower velocity cartridges pattern better.


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Wow--I didn't realize that this question would generate so much response. Thanks for all the input.

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Originally Posted by mudhen
#4. It will disable anything that you encounter inside your house and it won't shoot through most walls, endangering anyone who happens to be in an adjacent room.
Unfortunately, anything that won't penetrate interior walls also won't much penetrate bad guys.

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The whole idea is to get the job done fast. Frankly, just the racking of a pump will send most people running like hell. Anyone who knows anything, knows a scattergun pointed in their direction is going to be messy.

They are the ultimate home defense, IMO. A "number" of them placed here and there, loaded to the gills with 00, but the chambers empty.

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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
Originally Posted by Crockettnj

The Vang back boring & lengthening the forcing cone are primarily for buck/pellet pattern improvements, right?
Did/does the Vang comp impact slug accuracy as well?
Thanks

True, the primary goal was to tighten the pattern of buckshot to improve the hit ratio and cut down the probability of an errant pellet striking something we didn't want to hit.

The pleasant side-effect of Hans Vang's improvements is greater slug accuracy.

I helped pattern all of the Department's 870's when they switched over to Vang barrels as well as sight them in at 100yds with Brenneke slugs. We learned a lot about different buckshot and slugs while doing this.

The general rule was that 2 3/4" buckshot loads spread less than 3" loads, and 2 3/4" slug loads were vastly more accurate at 100yds through all shotguns we tested.

Most shotguns we tested (870's & Mossberg 500's) preferred either Federal Premium 00 Buck or Remington reduced recoil (aka "Tactical Load") 8 pellet 00 Buck.

Brenneke 2 3/4" slugs were roughly 50% more accurate than anyone's 3" slug loads, and none of the Forster slugs could match the Brennekes @ 100yds out of a smooth-bore.

Two of us, Ted Smith and myself, shot over 2,000 rounds of buckshot and over 500 rounds of slugs in a week of testing and patterning shotguns.

Once we had done the initial patterning and grouping, the shotguns were issued to the officers and THEY then had to pattern it and make final sight adjustments as part of their qualifications before they could carry it.

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Great info, many thanks, Ed. smile You have a sore shoulder after that many 12 ga rounds?


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Originally Posted by BarryC
Velocity seems to be the enemy of buckshot performance. Always seems like the lower velocity cartridges pattern better.


Low velocity shot of any size generally patterns better due to the lack of sonic shock wave induced dispersion.
[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXz_Aftj8rE&sns=em [/video]

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Ed was known as Chuck Norris of the North.His shoulder broke 5 stocks during the testing.


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Originally Posted by DigitalDan
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Velocity seems to be the enemy of buckshot performance. Always seems like the lower velocity cartridges pattern better.


Low velocity shot of any size generally patterns better due to the lack of sonic shock wave induced dispersion.
[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXz_Aftj8rE&sns=em [/video]


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I use Remington #4 buck in my Winchester 1300 because it patterns great at 25 yards.

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Oldelkhunter, yeah, hiding behind wallboard ain't gonna help much if somebody is blasting' with buck

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real story... I was shot about 8 years ago with a shotgun in a hunting accident.It hurts like hell.Took over 80 hits from #7.5 shot to the legs,arms and chest,some in the face.
Three things worked in my favor,heavy upland clothing,eye glasses and part of a Cedar tree, all this within 25 FEET! While there was not enough "force" to put me down,the shock brought me to my knees.Then the bleeding and burning sensation started,all over...
Had this had been a "self-defense"shooting I could have returned fire to the shooter...so forget the use of "birdshot" for home defense,unless you have a Dove breaking in....


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Yeah... my Dad took a 3/4oz. of 7.5's to the back of the head at 20', 55 years ago. They're still there and he's still alive.


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So now we know where you got so hard headed. wink

Glad your dad is OK. Merry chrisrmas, LT.


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Originally Posted by Furprick
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman

I would never trust my life to birdshot, just not enough energy.


I would. The only reason we don't consider using it professionally is because it's considered cruel when humans are the intended target. Think eyes.


Yup thats the first round in a bear defensive shotgun, can't see can't smell.


Birdshot in a bear gun? #4 buck or larger should blind a bear better. wink

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Originally Posted by eyeball
So now we know where you got so hard headed. wink

Glad your dad is OK. Merry chrisrmas, LT.


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The two video links posted above are very informative and interesting. Thanks for posting them.

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