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So what happens to canned food if it freezes?

I'm old enough to know a lot of folks that lived through the depression, especially since my parents both grew up in those troubled times. Personally, I think it made a lot of folks about half nuts. No offense or disrespect to the oldsters, but just being real... Most of them I knew resembled hoarders rather than preppers. I fail to see how a thousand Folger's coffee cans in the basement or a few hundred plastic butter cups is gonna save your asss. Most of the depression era folks I knew were too tight to buy much in the way of preps.

Honestly these prepper shows are a sign of the times. People looking to prepare for the end of the consumer age by trying to accumulate enough [bleep] to see them through its demise. It's just a perfect analogy.

America wants a pill to allow them to eat cheeseburgers 7 nights a week and lose weight. This is no different. Real change and real skills take time and patience. Finding a place where you have family and community that takes care of one another doesn't even occur to them. They'd rather buy a bunch of [bleep] and take a bunch of useless skills into the bunker and play house.

They chase phantoms of romantic Mad Max scenarios and completely ignore or deny the real emergency that is staring the industrial world in the face. I am quite sure that in 100 years when people have come to grips with the new reality that they will never understand how we missed seeing it. Maybe it's escapism. Maybe the real problems we face are so daunting that these preppers are just trying to invent a future in their minds that they feel they can deal with on their own when the reality is that most of it is completely beyond our control.

Will

i wouldn't get too worked up about this or any other "reality" show. it's just entertainment tv, with a script, editing, make-up, several cameras per scene, light folks, director, and producer. i have "soon to be" kin who produces these shows.

bottom line - they do what they do so you will watch! if you learn something, all the better, but they want you focused when that next commercial comes on.

Will, I don't know how to say this inoffensively...You're a [bleep] arrogant moron.

I understand what your are saying, I see alot of that too. But I also know that most of the ones around here have canners and gardens and fruit trees, and know how to get that done. They have been doing it for years. And alot of them can survive on damn near nothing if they need to. Its a mental thing, too many of the younger generations that haven't gone through that kind of stuff are just too soft. And maybe it is different around here too, we are rural farm and cattle country, right on the edge of the old dust bowl country. They took care of their neighbors, and helped do anything that needed done.

When we moved into the house my MIL had been in for years, there were over 800 pints and quarts of home canned stuff in the cellar. I have been dumping the old stuff and filling them back up from our garden. There was also 5-30 gallon trash cans full of old fabric that was junk, and ALOT of other junk as well. But there was good stuff in there too. Like Kerosene lamps and oil. Cots and blankets. Camp toilet and paper in case you get trapped in the cellar. Lots of good stuff. Mainly I just hauled out the junk and reorganized the good stuff. I was way ahead. We live in Tornado Alley, and I think about things like the storage building getting blown down on top of the cellar, and maybe it could be a couple days before someone digs you out. It wasn't but a couple years agoa big blue norther ice storm left us without power for a couple days. You just never really know.

Why don't you try leaving me out of the discussion? Or better yet out of your world completely?

Haven't you got something better to do than follow me around on thread after thread making inane and stupid insults? Are you really so lonely that you will insult someone to try and get into a discussion with them?

You are a weak minded fool and I don't wish to have anything to do with you ever again. Insults I can deal with. Childish logic I can endure. But honestly, your inane and useless chatter bores the hell out of me. So I leave you alone and dismiss everything you say. Quietly. Why don't you move on and do the same?

Will

PUT ME ON IGNORE!

Lol, you weak minded fool! No one cares what your opinion of me is except you. I don't even give a damn what you think of me. You're littering every thread with your bullshit insults. Don't you have any common courtesy toward the people who made the OP? Stupid question... of course you don't. You think everyone is just sitting on the edge of their chair waiting to hear what some hoopie from Kansas thinks of another poster they will never meet.

You really are a piece of work.

Will

Go away, you're an embarrassment.

Start your own thread so that you and a few others can pat each other on the backs and tell each other that if we just had the 'nads to start arming the grandmas who teaches grade school it would all be solved. Go convince yourselves that this shooting is just like all the other previous ones and it will all blow over in a week or two. Call everyone who disagrees with your methods a commie or a socialist or whatever the hell it is you're inclined.

You are adding nothing to the conversation here though. And I have heard from enough people in PMs and emails to convince me that there are more people around here that agree with me than with you.

Will

PS: BTW congrats Ethan you have just become the very first user I have ever put on ignore. You bring nothing to the table but insults and bullshit and to be honest you have become too boring to listen to any more.

We were having a quite excellent discussion before you showed up with your opining...

The others were having a very nice conversation right up until you posted the first stupid insult to me. Haven't you noticed that the thread dried up after that? 46 minutes without a single post?

You [bleep] in Bristoe's thread.

Will

Honestly these prepper shows are a sign of the times. People looking to prepare for the end of the consumer age by trying to accumulate enough [bleep] to see them through its demise. It's just a perfect analogy.

America wants a pill to allow them to eat cheeseburgers 7 nights a week and lose weight. This is no different. Real change and real skills take time and patience. Finding a place where you have family and community that takes care of one another doesn't even occur to them. They'd rather buy a bunch of [bleep] and take a bunch of useless skills into the bunker and play house.

They chase phantoms of romantic Mad Max scenarios and completely ignore or deny the real emergency that is staring the industrial world in the face. I am quite sure that in 100 years when people have come to grips with the new reality that they will never understand how we missed seeing it. Maybe it's escapism. Maybe the real problems we face are so daunting that these preppers are just trying to invent a future in their minds that they feel they can deal with on their own when the reality is that most of it is completely beyond our control.

Will

So what happens to canned food if it freezes?

Bristoe I want to apologize to you for screwing your thread up by allowing this moron to bait me into responding. One hillbilly to another.

Will

Real doomsday preppers dig cellars that maintain a constant temp. So there's no cause for concern.

They also tend to eat the [bleep] outta some Big Macs.



Travis