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WOW, this sounds like me an bubba went down the road and shot this here bear! First of all, just like Justin Wilson would answer what kind of wine should I serve for dinner? "Serve the wine you like."
So first of all shoot the rifle you like! Shoot it well, and know the anatomy of the animal and have a plan for harvesting it. Second choose a bullet that is reccomended for hunting and has a Sectional Density of .25 or greater. Finally, try to have 1500 foot pounds of energy at the range of impact or greater! Shoot to kill! Things to ponder, If you hit the shoulder and explode the brachial plexus nerve bundle, (A junction of Cranial nerves and such) you will optimize the bullets shock effect in the energy it possess.Then if the bullet is built to penetrate it will go into the lungs and cause the lungs to fill with blood.Then you will soon have three holes for the blood to come out. That would be the shoulder and two nostrils if the animal is still alive and breathing. It will also be running away on three legs if it can run at all. Good Luck.
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I am sorry I meant sectional density of .25. A 150 grain hornady interlock will have a sectional density of .279 and should have over 1500 foot pounds at 400 yds. That is in the 270 caliber.That is with a muzzel velocity of 2900 fps or so. Under 250 yds it should be fine.
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I've seen more than Bitterdough in the last 6 months in Tennessee...
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(This topic reminds me of sheep hunting in grizzly country: a sheep is easy to kill and doesn't require a .338, but that is what most sheep hunters in Northern BC were carrying. The purpose for the .338 wasn't to kill sheep but for a secondary reason. Ditto for larger calibers on black bear in thick brushy country with no dirt to leave tracks: the purpose is not killing power but the secondary reason of tracking/finding power.)
This is why I hunt elk and moose with my 338wm. And I carried a .338 Win hunting deer solo and packing meat on Admiralty Island. Arguably the densest population brown population in the world, one per square mile (once you subtract out the uninhabitable portion (the bare rock in the mountains) the number exceeds far one brown bear per square mile). But some of our friends in Montana (that don�t even live in grizzly country) are bullies and pretend to know it all. That island is one quarter the size of a county in Montana, but has more brown/grizzly bears than the entire lower 48. I'll bet I've been around and seen more grizzly bears than you have..... Yeah, that's a pretty short limb to go out on. 
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WOW, this sounds like me an bubba went down the road and shot this here bear! First of all, just like Justin Wilson would answer what kind of wine should I serve for dinner? "Serve the wine you like."
So first of all shoot the rifle you like! Shoot it well, and know the anatomy of the animal and have a plan for harvesting it. Second choose a bullet that is reccomended for hunting and has a Sectional Density of .25 or greater. Finally, try to have 1500 foot pounds of energy at the range of impact or greater! Shoot to kill! Things to ponder, If you hit the shoulder and explode the brachial plexus nerve bundle, (A junction of Cranial nerves and such) you will optimize the bullets shock effect in the energy it possess.Then if the bullet is built to penetrate it will go into the lungs and cause the lungs to fill with blood.Then you will soon have three holes for the blood to come out. That would be the shoulder and two nostrils if the animal is still alive and breathing. It will also be running away on three legs if it can run at all. Good Luck. Do you write for Field & Stream? Something about the above seems familiar. Thanks
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I am sorry I meant sectional density of .25. A 150 grain hornady interlock will have a sectional density of .279 and should have over 1500 foot pounds at 400 yds. That is in the 270 caliber.That is with a muzzel velocity of 2900 fps or so. Under 250 yds it should be fine. Could be Outdoor Life.
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I retract my earlier statement. I just finished some dry fire practice with my 375. That's what I'd use.
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Just go shoot a damn bear and tell us about it!
Most of us who have posted have never hunted bears in PA. You will have to be the judge of what will work! I know I wouldn't use a 22 LR on a PA bear hunt! I might even use my Lott! Then again, I don't see myself every hunting bears in PA.
To the OP, if you ever want to come hunt bears in AZ ( season is usually months long and tags are OTC), PM me and I will hook you up!
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Sorry I do not write for Outdoor life:
But the thing I am trying to say is; that is exactly why there are different weights for bullets and different amounts and types of powders to put in the brass. The 270 can shoot a huge variation in bullets and powder charges. So can most calibers of rifles. I suggest the more a person is educated in that fact, the less Gun Safes one will need to have.
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JMasters, most of the fellas up here swear by the Ruger, and for good reason. But if I were to have an clean slate for a 338 build it would be thus.
Action: long action Stiller Precision, Montana if controlled feed is your preference (or any custom that floats your boat) standard bolt face.
Stock: McMillan Hunter Edge(my personal favorite), blind magazine.
Barrel: Custom, take your pick, but 22 inch is my Max.
Trigger: take your pick, but from what I understand the shilen has the fewest moving parts for Remington actions.
Caliber: 338-06AIor 35 WheelenAI,
Scope: Leupold 2-7 ultra light or fixed 4X
Rings: Tally light weight.
That would be the rout I would go if I did not already have a 358 Norma. You could do it a whole lot cheaper with out all the custom parts.
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Great idea... mine would be a Defiance Machine short action, Benchmark stainless barrel at 22 inches, chambered in .338 Federal, with a McMillan stock, Zeiss Duralyt 2-8x42 scope, and Shilen stainless trigger.
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My gun safe is small, so your advice souds like a winner. Thanks!
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Yes sir, what would a rifle built to these specs cost me??
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Price? That's a good point. You could get a Tikka T3 in .338 Federal for a quarter the price. The bear would never know the difference. But it's fun to dream....
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This is my Black Bear rifle,for a hunt in Arizona in November. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg546/elkhunterinnm/IMG_0179_zps5db2c7d5.jpg) CZ 550 American 7x57 with a 4x Zeiss.
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It's kinda like being the new guy in a long established deer camp coming in and telling the old timers in camp that you don't approve of their card playing or bourbon drinking. Dang, you mean that's why I never get invited back??
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This is my Black Bear rifle,for a hunt in Arizona in November. CZ 550 American 7x57 with a 4x Zeiss. That will work!
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Custom action: $950+
Barrel: $320+
Stock: $550+
Trigger: $120+
Smith: $225+
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Action: $450 Remington
Barrel: send it to Heart $700, heart did my 358 and they do really good work.
Stock: $100 Boyts
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This is my Black Bear rifle,for a hunt in Arizona in November. CZ 550 American 7x57 with a 4x Zeiss. That will work! Thanks Dennisinaz,going to work on handloads for it now. 
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I killed a couple of bulls and bears with my 7-08 and loaned it to a couple of hunters in camp that came less than prepared. Favorite bullet for elk is the 154 Hornady.
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