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WOOPS. Didnt read the rest of the thread and school board response.

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I agree, make and example of the teacher.

THAT is a terrific idea!

Just one liberal teacher trying assert her brainwashing over der kinder,
if she had consulted her supervisors, they would have told her to take a pill or leave the building.

I had a typing teacher, many years ago, in an adult educashun class TRY and do the same thing.
Me only male in the class... she walked around the room full of IBM Selctrics and called out stuff to type:
" Vote NO on State Issue Two!"
( to ban leghold traps in Ohio )

It would have banned Victor mouse traps!

When I typed that Ohio was fourth in nation for the production of wild fur, she had a fit!

The teacher needs to get a visit in the parking lot from someone with a length of bicycle chain.

So it was the depiction of 2 guns on a t-shirt that was the problem?

I wonder if the history teachers in that school are required to edit out any pictures of weapons in the textbooks used in their classes. I can smell the Magic Marker now..

I appreciate your sense of balance here - given the action of the super, not a case for irrational response. OTOH, a teacher takes on serious responsibility and authority in the moment. This teacher may be around that place for years, and needs some woodshedding as education for her. I spent too many wonderful years teaching youngsters in fine school settings - her behavior would have been intolerable, and she would have been properly "handled".

When on the property of another first amendment rights pretty much fly out the door.

The kid could have come to school wearing a T shirt with

"I love chocolate cake" printed on it and if it offended someone then off it goes.

Denny.

Why bother if the problem is fixed. The district sided with the student, teacher gets schooled on policy and it's over. Move along folks, theres's nothing to see here.

Did you really think about this before you posted it?

It is not the USMC logo that got the kid in trouble but the guns. In any other setting it would be no problem but in most schools any display of guns, knives, drugs or alcohol is a violation of most dress codes.

Think about it this way... Billy comes to school with his favorite Headbanger Band/Rap Concert T-Shirt that displays a hand gun along with the band. Same issue. Now insert the band and a Bong, Wild Turkey bottle, or coke spoon, same issue. It is not the Marine logo that is the issue.

Better stop teaching history.There might be a picture of a gun in the history book.

Good point but it is not on display (t-shirt) thus not a violation of the dress code.

Think of the inner city school and how that have to deal with the crap of gang colors, bulling and hell kids getting shot by other kids after school. I think you can see what the dress codes have gone this direction.

I had a T-shirt that I wore in high school one, only once that read...Smile if your horny! I did not make it out of 1st period. I think I know why!

My english teacher was smiling!

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You're a real [bleep] liberal piece of schit douche bag aren't you. Who gives a rats azz if the shirt had a picture of a gun on it. The teacher over stepped period.
People like you are the problem with this country


I can remember having a t shirt with a picture of a six pack of beer on it that said. "To some its only a six pack, to me it's group therapy".

Our principal told me to turn it inside out I told him to make me he reached out and tried grabbing my shoulder. So I broke his jaw in 2 places and kicked him in the nuts hard enough to make him puke. The police refused to charge me and the school superintendent told him he shouldn't have laid a hand on me. More of that needs to happen. Instead of everyone being afraid offending someone all the damn time

Sound thinking, well stated.

Some of the USMC shirts we had available to us had artwork and logos that... probably don't belong in schools lol.

This one wasn't bad, just a set of evil cross rifles. But I do think the news media spun this one a bit.

Semper fi

I am guessing that you were/are a real piece of %^&. Lets see if we can wrap our little minds around your thought process...If a teacher, principal, boss gives you a reasonable request like please turn that t-shirt inside out the acceptable response would be to challenge the responsible person, assault said person and then brag about how righteous you are with said actions?

So big guy..How has that worked out for you in your simple little life and world?

Did you graduate from high school, go on to collage, excel in our military or ever keep a job for more than a week or 2?

How has this thought process spilled over onto your children? I am betting that you are the type of parent who's child never does any wrong, always the school picking on poor Billy? There lies the problem with many of our children today in schools, weak, angry parents who feel the world is out to get them. I will bet you know my brother. 47 and can't keep a job. You two must know each other!

Quick story that you might relate to... A number of years ago I was a supervisor at a large state park just outside of Yellowstone National Park. We had a dress code mandated by the state, no exceptions. One of my guys on the maintenance crew though that the dress code was too strict and would show up to clean camp sites or mow lawns with no shirt or with concert t-shirts rather than the state mandated uniform.

As a supervisor it was my place to inform him that he needed to get changed or he would not be working that day. After the 3rd time this happened I started the process to release this employee. It took me 3 weeks to do it but it needed to be done! This kid was an angry kid. A bit like you I am thinking, hell it might be you come to think of it!

I am not advocating placing hands on a angry-pissy little boy but it was time for that young man (you) to find a new place to hang out!

Ok .... Take a deep breath, try not to drop the "F" bomb and respond with some deep thought that reflects you understanding of how the world really works.

Actually turd. I've spent the last 13 years as a cop with several commendations and exactly 3 complaints against me. If it is of any real concern to you I have a bachelors degree

Quite frankly I didn't consider it a reasonable request as I didn't feel it violated our schools dress code. That situation wouldn't have escalated that far had he not laid hands on me. That is when he went too far. As I figure the school board felt that way too

Anyone who knows anything about the Marine Corps knows that one pillar of its existence is marksmanship. Without rifles in the hands of rifleman, the Marine Corps is nothing. What this teacher needs is a history lesson in the accomplishments and sacrifices of the Americans who have secured her freedom over the course of the last 237 years with the use of firearms. It is disheartening to know that our youth are being "educated" by people who cannot grasp the intent of a T-Shirt and/or lack the intestinal fortitude to make calls on T-shirts and how they relate to a school dress code.

In short, this "educator" is obviously an ignorant liberal C--t nugget. To hell with her.

- - in this case, and many others, would be "I think that your request is unreasonable. Show me the policy that applies, and I will consider your request".

I don't take any issue with your explanation of management responsibility for policy enforcement, nor would I advocate radical or physical response to such a request. But, in your lofty reply, you seem to miss important points.

Why would we want to teach young people to automatically comply with unreasonable directions, or even requests, by an authority figure who can, and sometimes will, make your life miserable for a time? If one were in the miltary, the compliance matter would be different.

However, this is a school, and the chief aim of any such institution should be to teach young people to think - to reason - to learn - and to do it for themselves. At times, the role of a teacher can be difficult, but it can be infinitely more difficult if the teacher is not more sensible, more reasonable, and more judicious than the students. Yes, maybe it was a "one time" mistake, but the teacher was too far over the line. Good teachers do not do things that can undermine personal independence and potentially bring undue embarrassment in front of student peers. I still think that her career might benefit from her having to wear that t-shirt in school.

BTW, I am a "propriety" kind of guy as well as an educator. I can understand why contemporary schools would want to keep nasty, vulgar and/or threatening slogans from being displayed on clothing. However, there is nothing in the experience of the past 50 years that convinces me that a simple drawing or photo of a gun (or knife, or sword, or pen, or abortion scalpel, or government bureaucrat - all can be dangerous if ill-used) should be outlawed from a t-shirt.

Why would a school want to try to relate the concept of crime or violent behavior, or ANY behavior, to an object or tool? The people leading some of these institutions must be thoughtless, gutless, lazy hacks. What they manifest seems like avoidance behavior. "I'm OK, you're OK - it's the object that is at fault. Let's not face the fact that some of you students may (will) become criminals or violent actors, or whatever - if you don't accapt personal reponsibility, search your soul, create a worthwhile personal moral structure, and act on it."

What does such avoidance behavior teach? Too much of what is going on in education is poorly directed. Too much preaching of social and/or political ideology - way too much "political corectness" and far too little learning of means for a productive, responsible and positively effective life. Don't encourage that to which some of these schools have evolved.

OK - soap box kicked aside.

That one you would have to prove to me Barney Fife. Do you have any photos with you in them on the job or in uniform?

At the start of every school year in most schools across the country the home room teacher spends one of the first class periods covering the student hand book, so....Comply with the existing rules that were passed by the school board.

Your observation here about "home room" protocol (don't we all know that?) has zero to do with my reply to your post. In this case, the t-shirt was not in violation of the rules.