Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Burris C4 - their answer to CDS......

I'm seeing 3.2-3.9" for the 3-9. The FF IIs worked for me and shared that spec, I believe.

The 3.2" reminds me of the 3-9x33 Leupold which I don't like on anything with recoil, and I can't stand the look of back mounted scopes. Looking at a pic of Ingwe's Burris equipped rifles is nearly as bad as the pic of him pouring good whiskey into a glass full of ice. Fingernails on a blackboard I say.

I saw those specs too. Wouldn't want them on a hard kicker, that is for sure. I wonder if they are accurate?

No zero stop

I think the ffii is as great scope for the $! Just curious what has been improved on the c4. I hate sounding skeptical but a custom turret (if that is the only change) would be a pretty pricey upgrade.
I got one of the e1 in 2-7. It seems pretty solid but not as clear and bright as my redfield accurange.

I've not been bitten by no zero stop yet, so ain't skeered... I'm thinking that with it's internal adjustment limitations and since I use a 20 MOA rail that I probably won't be able to get a full turn lower than my elevation zero anyway. At least that was the case with my 4.5-14 Conquest. Though not designed that way, it worked...

I'm gonna give one of the C4s a try and report back. Purely for the benefit of my Campfire buds, of course...

John

This scope is $1000 less than most scopes that come with a zero stop. At the end of the day this is just an entry level scope with a turret. Cannot beat $300 assuming it tracks correctly.

From the pic on their website, there's 20 MOA per revolution. The 4.5-14 30mm has 66 MOA total travel. Using a 20 MOA rail, I've only got 13 MOA left going down, so I won't be able to get a full turn past my zero. Going up, you could mistakenly go a full turn too far I suppose... One turn will get me out to 800 yards.

John

I agree Hondo, I have never personally had the need for zero-stop. Hell, I can get to 500yds with my lowly swede with a zero degree base and only cranked to 9moa on the turret. A 20moa base and you would be golden.

Can't see much need for a zero-stop on a hunting rifle, to be honest. One 20 MOA turn would get any of my rifles damn close to 1,000.

I wonder how the turret cap attaches...I'm not to crazy about 3 set screws through the sides.
Don't know how many of you experienced how you change numbers on the e1. Its strange....the part of he turret cap that has the numbers on it rotates separate from the top of he cap. I use a rubber band as a sort of "mini strap wrench"....you wrap it around the mid section and rotate the numbers to where you want them.

I talked to them about that. C4 is completely different. Loosen the set screws, rotate the cap to align with the 0 index and retighten the screws. Same as my Leupold w/M1 was IIRC. The rubber band thing did not leave me with a fuzzy feeling...

John

Looked at the pic again and they are only 17MOA per revolution. Should still work the same way with a 20 MOA rail though. Still won't have a full revolution on the bottom end. What I don't like is one 17 MOA revolution will only get me to about 725...

Going to have to ponder this one a bit...

John

I don't wear a seat belt because I've never needed one......

I use to tell myself that there are no need for zero stops. I tried to convince myself of it because my beloved (at the time) Leupold didn't offer them. If Leup doesn't offer it I don't need it, right? Then came the day when I showed up at camp and a few long range greenhorns were banging steel at 800. It was an opportunity to show the kids how to do it so while they are hogging the bench I get prone and bang........no ringing of steel and impact no where in the zip code. I dial back to zero and shoot at 100 and completely miss the target. Finally it becomes obvious that the dial is a rotation off. To this day I have no clue as to how it happened. It was during deer season and I later killed a good buck. As embarrassing as it was, I was very fortunate to learn of my error on the range versus a critter. Since then, for me, zero stops or bust, though I have not made been able (financially) to make the conversion on all my rigs.

Being off a rotation will not likely cost anyone their life as lack of a seat belt might, so have at it!

BTW, manufactures won't incorporate zero stops until the consumer demands it. How many long range turrets did you see 10 years ago? I'm glad to see the Leup CDS with a stop even it limits travel to one revolution, and it looks like Zeiss has figured it out properly with the ASV, though I've yet to try one.

Amazing what you can do with a sharpie.

I hear ya. The index line on the turret body indicating zero was appropriately marked. The distance between the index lines is close enough to easily be misread if diligence is not used. I apparently was not very diligent. I take full blame. Heck, if I can't manage at the range imagine what I can screw up in the field when the rodeo starts.

I'm sure I could screw up with a zero stop too, but it would be much more difficult.

Are you concerned with the MOA per revolution, or the total elevation? The 30mm model has 82MOA elevation.

I would obviously like zero stop, and I actually think zero stop makes more sense in a hunting situation, but we are talking about a $300 scope.

Concerned that one turn only gives 17 MOA and the turret has no hash marks or zero stop. Probably not that big a deal. My Conquest were the same way.

IIRC, the 30mm 4.5-14 only has 66 MOA total.

Have always wanted to try one of the SWFAs too, but I really like the reticle on this C4...

John

Zeiss thought it was a big deal, hence the new ASV with stops. I believe your concern is justified. Think about it, a devise made to spin multiple rotations but no solid indication of the original setting, when the original setting is what everything is based upon. Something about that sounds incomplete.

Hondo, do you mean hash marks under the turret? The turrets themselves have hash marks on both the MOA turret, and the CDS style turret.