Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns YOU WON'T SEE THIS WITH A 1911

I LOVE the 1911 but I think that would be a mistake. The 1911 is obviously adequate for the job, and God knows they last a LOOONG time, but there are better choices. For what a good 1911 costs, you can buy a couple of S&W M&P�s, and basically have a pistol much better suited to military service. The Tupperware guns are strong, durable, reliable, and uber-easy to maintain both at the individual and depot level. While the Tupperware guns will typically take a higher round count than a 1911, the issue of breakage of the frames remains the one real weakness. But fortunately frames are cheap and easily replaced.

So right now the most likely suspects for US military service in my book appear to be the Glock, M&P, and XD. Ruger could get in the game if they really wanted it, and if Taurus ever decided to get really serious about government sales, they could be a real force to be reckoned with.

The locking block housing that is welded to the barrel (or milled in place?) was tearing away from the barrel at the forward end.

I'm not any kind of handgun expert at all and I'm wondering if the same problem exists on the 96! I have one I got in the mid 90's! It's a great gun but now I wonder if it's safe to use! Makes me think my 686 should now be my go to gun!

OUCH!!!!! Fookin' berettas.

Gunner

I am no expert, but I don't think the .40 has near the pressures of a 9mm

Thanks! All I could find was a few unexplained FTF's while doing a Bing search!

9mm NATO spec is loaded to 36,500PSI
9mm Luger/Para SAAMI spec is loaded to 34,100PSI

.40 S&W SAAMI spec is loaded to a max of 35,000PSI


Bear in mind this pistol in JorgeI posts is said to have seen +30,000 rounds as well.

Thank you!!

I've not heard of this one. Was this just a bad run of barrels or is it a more random occurrence?

TAK, I don't know. I've never seen or heard of it before or since. It was my issue M9 pistol, during requal week, Camp Lejeune, 2002.

Yeah, that's a new one on me. In any metal item, there are times where you just get a bad piece of metal. I'd have to say that was due to a flaw in the steel that no one ever knew about and short of x-ray, you'd never detect.

D'oh! (Head slap).

I know better.

Bummer.


Bad deal.

Thank God!

X-ray will not detect all flaws

So civilian M-9's don't have the slide retention device?

�You�re not a S.E.A.L. �till you have eaten Italian steel�� Anonymous

- From the early 1990s, IIRC

Beretta problems...

From a metallurgist buddy when we were both employed at PA during the time frame in question.

"Tellurium in the slide alloy was innocous at 10 ppm. But at 100 ppm it caused the catastrophic failures noted."

Tighter control of the alloy = problem solved.

Hate to say but the 96s are worse in my experience. Never saw many failures in my service overseas (but then handguns in mil service are not fired much other than training) but I served a stint with the US Border Patrol (Havre, MT in fact) and we had more than a few failures with the 96, one right in front of my eyes. Our armourer was firing next to me at our indoor range and his 96 broke a disconnector, he threw that thing down the range..

Thanks very much for your experience! I haven't heard anyone complain about it yet (but maybe I wasn't listening)! Makes me love my 686 plus even more!

AND thanks so very much for your service to us and our country!