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The U.N. is the enemy. Could not be more anti-U.S.A.


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Obie has friends in the middle east that are waiting to help us out (where is that throwup smilie?)


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Egypt?


Egypt had Russian derived equipment in '67 and '73

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Seriously it's a seriously stupid question, then again...


Given time, it's not stupid at all. With present technology, the bulk of the damage in the next world war will not likely be a product of troop carriers and aircraft. Parties will pound population and industrial centers until countries beg for peace.


No country has ever been bombed into submission...ever.


Besides, no country would be so stupid as to try such foolishness with Zero in the White House. Why, that would be suicide...madness I tell ya!


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Originally Posted by 1minute
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Seriously it's a seriously stupid question, then again...


Given time, it's not stupid at all. With present technology, the bulk of the damage in the next world war will not likely be a product of troop carriers and aircraft. Parties will pound population and industrial centers until countries beg for peace.


Does WWII ring a bell? might want to look into that...


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First sign of an attack on the USA and the French would endeavor a preemptive surrender.

Next, a foreign invader should strike California first. On one hand, Los Angele and San Francisco would capitulate. On the other hand, there are more firearms in private ownership in California than any other state, with the exception of Texas.


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Originally Posted by watch4bear


That's just part of our Annual "don't go to war with Isreal" payoff that started under Carter. I think they are up to 200 F-16's by now. Good new is Figher Aircraft are high maintance vehicle, and if they piss us off, all we need to do is cut off the spare parts to ground their fleet. We sold alot of F-14's to Iran under the Shah, but once we cut off parts their combat capability quickly evaporated.


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Snubbie,

You have a short term recall problem.

We bombed Serbia into submission. Libya turned tits up after our bombs launched by NATO partners mad a hash of their military. Desert Storm relied heavily on air ops that made the later lightning ground assault possible. The first defeat of the Tali Ban in Afghanistan by our in-country allies was made possible by US air and SPECOPS support.

It is not a universal solution but it has its uses.

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Originally Posted by Gus
seriously, WWII was fought off=shore. so was Korea, and South Vietnam, and Iraq and Afghanistan, and maybe others.

so, if we were attacked on domestic shores, who would be on the short-list to call at 3am in the morning, roust them out of bed, and ask for assistance?


we don't need any help from a Foreign Government, we can take care of ourselves


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I don't know the direct answer to that question, but by the time someone was able to mount any kind of invasion of our shores - as opposed to some kind of commando raid - we would have found out who our allies are long before.

It is very hard to imagine any war starting with an invasion of the USA. We're just too strong. A first strike nuke attack, maybe (probably) - but not a landing craft on the beaches and paratroopers in the air invasion. It would have to start elsewhere and anybody who wanted in would choose sides.

If it went badly enough for us in a conventional fight where it got to the point someone could actually stage a successful invasion with the end goal of occupying our entire land mass, we'd launch nuclear strikes. We'd probably launch them well before it got bad enough for that.

Nukes are the trump cards no one's used except once, and one could argue that they were not really needed, they just sped up the inevitable.

But given the quantity on hand today, they are a game changer. They would be used and it would be left up to the few survivors to see if nuclear winter really happened.

Argentina or Iceland or someplace in the heart of Brazil would probably emerge as the dominant world power by default, everybody else would be dead.


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we don't need any help from a Foreign Government, we can take care of ourselves


yep, obama can press us into service.


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Seriously it's a seriously stupid question, then again...


Given time, it's not stupid at all. With present technology, the bulk of the damage in the next world war will not likely be a product of troop carriers and aircraft. Parties will pound population and industrial centers until countries beg for peace.


No country has ever been bombed into submission...ever.


Besides, no country would be so stupid as to try such foolishness with Zero in the White House. Why, that would be suicide...madness I tell ya!
President Truman brought the Japs to their knees with only two bombs.

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President Truman brought the Japs to their knees with only two bombs.


Weren't those the only two we had?


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Originally Posted by snubbie

No country has ever been bombed into submission...ever.


crazy.. Think the Japanese would take issue with that statement.


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Missing the point.
From WWII to Desert Storm, bombing was another "tool" in the arsenal of the military. The bombing, while necessary, was not the sole instrument of capitulation. Even the Japanese were pretty much beaten by the time the bombs were dropped.

I know the poster probably didn't intend it but seemed to indicate you just bomb the population and that alone, in and of itself, will cause victory. I know of no war (and world war was specified in the post) where bombing alone caused surrender.


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as the OP, i too believe that those who rule the ground are the true rulers.

beyond that, i'm also of the belief that those who rule the sky above are a worthy group with which to deal.

the Army Air Corps, the Air Force, and NASA have important attributes to bring to bear.

i don't think anyone now alive can rule out a possible attack on the US. someone might be recieving a paycheck to say differently. i don't know.

it'll be interesting, if in the final analysis, we come under attack, and then who shows up on their horses to help defend us.


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