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If its thick where you hunt I'd go with a 444.....
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..a hunter would be lucky to see one good buck a season still hunting. So sorry it's like that in your turf. 'Cause I'm not going to pass judgement on turf or style I might question why bother? Competent still hunters throughout the SE would probably argue the quote above. Someone tell me that who hunts down here I'd tell 'em to head back to class and get remedial training. I don't know anything less productive that sitting on a tree stand. New York is divided into northern and southern zones. The reality is that there is no agriculture in the northern zone, which is where the Adirondacks lay. Deer density is low as a result. Southern zone is rich with agriculture, high deer density, but also multitudes of hunters. Southern zone tends to be overhunted, shotgun only in places. deer don't get a chance to grow large racks. In the Adirondacks the deer that survive the winters tend to be bruisers, so if you see one, it will be worth the effort. 200# + on the hoof is easily the average. Dressed our camp has averaged around 170 or so. And a bad day in the woods is still better than a good day at work.  I know of three camps around ours. Most guys hunt bolt actions in .30-06 or .308. Still hunting lessens your odds further. I have killed using stealth, but my largest (the 130") was driven to my watch. Gee, that sums up SE Alaska, except I didn't see a mention of 15 feet of rain. With that in mind, a 223AI was my favorite and a 250AI not far behind for that type of in your face, still hunting.
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I'd go the 358 Win and the 200 gr TTSX as it flatazzed worked last June on all manner of game from springbok to wildebeest and gemsbuck out to 250 yards or so. Most that opine a view have one that is either dated or have no actual experience. That said, if you are chasing whitetails about anything will work...
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A 180gr TTSX in the 358 might just be about perfect for slinging at deer from all angles. Much like many cartridges slinging a TSX/TTSX, lending one to believe the bullet matters more than the headstamp, though placement likely trumps them all. Who woulda guessed....
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I'm with Steelie on this on. Ive hunted some open and some thick stuff for deer. lots of rifles and loads will do the job. Im out there to shoot deer, not vegetation,so hot and fast works as well as big and slow, so long as whatever it is lands in the right spot...
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358 with a 20" tube. If not, 308 will do it all in those 6 million acres.
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The .308 has also crossed my mind...
As have the .358 TTSX....
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I imagine you are better off putting the most thought into the rifle to appreciate and differentiate its purpose from the others you have...finding consensus in cartridge or bullet considerations just lead to a larger circle to go around...
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Absolutely. The rifle is alot more important than the cartridge. Light to moderate weight for easy carry, well balanced for offhand shooting, fast and quiet to put into operation. Those things matter far more in a suitable heavy cover still hunting rig. Someone who places the cartridge at higher importance than the rifle marks himself as a neophyte.
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Someone who places the cartridge at higher importance than the rifle marks himself as a neophyte. ^^^^^^^ That.
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retraction--add rifle to above list....
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Someone who places the cartridge at higher importance than the rifle marks himself as a neophyte. ^^^^^^^ That. Agreed....and yet there will be times where a shot must be taken right now regardless of angle or presentation.
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I never run into that situation.
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I have heard Hal Blood lecture, and he has not achieved your level of proficiency...nor have the Benoits. Those men hunt big woods bucks in similar terrain. You'll have to give me the benefit of your experience....I'm always willing to learn....
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I have heard Hal Blood lecture, and he has not achieved your level of proficiency...nor have the Benoits. Those men hunt big woods bucks in similar terrain. You'll have to give me the benefit of your experience....I'm always willing to learn.... I've read their books and know they are willing to take shots I'm not. The fact that I've still hunted an area of big woods with relatively low deer density for the past 14 years and have killed 14 bucks with 14 shots is all I need to prove to myself I don't have to take bad shots to enjoy consistent success. I have passed on a couple of real good bucks in that time because I didn't have a good shot and don't regret it.
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I have hunted NY State since 1947 when I hunted with my Dad and carried a Daisey BB. I have shot deer and seen deer shot with a variety of guns and various ammo. My first deer was a yearling doe shot with a 22lr. Shot her in the white spot under the chin. I think I was 13 then.
Since then I have seen them fall to 22Sav Hi Power, 222, 223. 243, 250-300, 257Robt, 257Robt AI, 25-06, 25-06AI, 6.5 Carcano, .284Win, 303Brit, 30-30, 300Sav, 308, 30-284, 300WSM, 32Spl, 35Whelen, 358WSM, 38-40, 348Win, 20ga, and 12ga. 50cal muzzle stoker. No doubt there is something missing.
I began hunting Star Lake, Oswegatchie area (NW Adirondacks)then Hunted Tug Hill area about 10 yrs, Gloversville, Stamford, Oak Mtn. Trammel Creek, another 10 yrs, Delaware County another 10yrs, Steuben County 13yrs and now live in Columbia County, East of the Hudson.
I am currently tuning a 22-250 highly modified TC Encore and a 6.5X55 Ruger #3. for my continuing hunt in this state.
By far my favorite rifle for NY belongs to one of my sons. It is a 20 inch barreled stock, Browning Micro Medallion in .284. Very light, quick, accurate and a devastating killer.
The same son has a Pac Nor barreled, push feed, Mod 70 Win in 284. The 3.1 length afforded by this short action and the light weight make it ideal.
Load a .284 with 120gr. Nos BT or 120 Barns TTSX and watch them fall. The combination works in the dark swamps of the North Country, Old Growth Forrest, the skrub lands of Tug Hill and all across the Southern Tier where the deer are thicker than hair on a beaver.
Give that .284 a long look.
Best to you,
Jim
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I guess I must just get all the pansy deer in NY because I've never needed anything more powerful than a .30-30 or .243 to get the job done with one shot. Course I do refuse to shoot a deer in the azz no matter what. Did it once with a .30-06 when I was a kid and vowed never again. Hit the deer a couple inches left of the bung. Deer went down in the rear but continued on dragging it's hind quarters and bawling at the top of it's lungs. Another shot to the neck finished it. Ruined alot of prime eating in the hind quarter, tenderloins were tainted with gut and the dressing job was extremely unpleasant to say the least. A deer deserves a better end and I figure if the only thing I've got to shoot at is rump I have no shot at all and I pass. +1 Good post. Yep
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Run a 308 130 gr. Barnes TTSX @ about 3100fps,close your eyes & pretend that it is a 284. Or a 7-08,Or a Bob Or a------? The list goes on & on.
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The .308 has also crossed my mind...
As have the .358 TTSX.... The .308 is the greatest rifle cartridge in the universe! All my ADK bucks dropped DRT to a .308 or .280 The 84M in .308 is as perfect a rifle as I need, any nicer wood an I wouldn't want to bung it up, any uglier and I would wnt to be seen with it. A Montucky in .308 tickles my fancy a bit though..... Sigh....
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