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I live and hunt around GNP. Carry bear spray, and talk while hiking. Leave the 45 auto at home or at least in the car. Seriously. Personally I would never ever bet the farm on bear spray alone. What if a person accidentally got between a sow and her cub? The mother goes into protect mode and makes a full charge and the wind is blowing into your face, not my idea of the way to go. I much prefer to have a sidearm in that situation +1 to that. Not saying its ideal but a heavy loaded 45 acp with a good hardcast is better than nothing IMHO.
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Have shot both the 10mm and .45 ACP with heavy, hard bullets. The 10mm has more velocity and should penetrate better.
No flies on the old Colt, as it's a proven warrior.
I think a big revolver would be better than either. I like full house .45 Colts with heavy, hard bullets. Not fast, but they hit like a freight train.
I don't own any, but the .454 Casull and some of the newer big rounds would be candidates.
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DF The 525 grain in the 500 Linebaugh at 1090 FPS will out penetrate the 420 grain at 1383 FPS in the 475 Lienbaugh more speed does not always equate to more velocity. At least it did at the Linebaugh seminar that I attended. The same 525 grain bullet near 1600 FPS from a 50 Alaskan revolver penetrated the sanme 50"as it did at 1091 FPS The 10mm may very well out penetrate the255 grain hard cast but the bullet diameter in less and thus the wound channel is as well This. Speed doesnt kill, penetration and shot placement does.
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Though I know it is not the caliber of choice it is what I have, that and a 9mm, so what round would you suggest using in case I need it?
I know we sometimes get caught up in "this vs. that " as we're all gun nuts, but the OP spells it out. I don't live in big bear country, but if I didn't reload I'd grab some BB loads and grab the .45. One man's opinion George
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I live and hunt around GNP. Carry bear spray, and talk while hiking. Leave the 45 auto at home or at least in the car. Seriously. Personally I would never ever bet the farm on bear spray alone. What if a person accidentally got between a sow and her cub? The mother goes into protect mode and makes a full charge and the wind is blowing into your face, not my idea of the way to go. I much prefer to have a sidearm in that situation +1 to that. Not saying its ideal but a heavy loaded 45 acp with a good hardcast is better than nothing IMHO. I guess a good, sharp stick would fit that description.  Jus messing wicha...  DF
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The trouble with bear spray is the wind has to be right. Also it can't be used effectivley in an enclosed area like a tent should the OP decide to camp out. While the 45 ACP may not be the best it is what the OP has. Bear spray is not all that quick to employ so it would be best IMO to have both. This is coming from someone who has never faced a charging bear of any kind, but has had close encounters with black bears.
After practicing with inert bear spray it takes a lot longer to get to the firing stage then a handgun, but once out it was easier to hit the area that was targeted. Having talked to a person who has faced a griz that was stalking him the bear spray turned out to be just the ticket when the bear got to close.
By the way there have been several grizzlies south of the park aproaching 1000 lbs
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There was a story a year or two ago, where a hiker killed a big bear in Alaska (I think Denali).
He used a 45 ACP, and a full magazine as I recall.
I read it here on the 24HCF, some of you probably remember it too.
Not saying 45 ACP would be my first choice for bear defense, but it has worked before.
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I'd personally take a 1911 in .45acp loaded with the big Flat Point Hard Cast Buffalo Bore +P Ammo, ANY Day over Pepper Spray! As manny others have stated here, it's more about shot placement & Penatration, Penatration, &.... Penatration ! Sure, lots of other Pistole's I'd rather be packing, like my Redhawk in 45 colt, with Max 325gr LBT bullets at 1400fps, or a Casull .454, or even my Glock 20 10mm loaded with 16 rounds of Buffalo Boar 220 grain Max loads. But if all I had was a 1911 .45acp, I'd be packing it along with a big can of Pepper Spray. Just Sayin ! 
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I tested the 45 ACP 255 grain load against the 44 mag 240 grain jacketed flat point winchester factory load a while back by shooting into 1 gallon milk jugs line up and the the load was not that far behind the 44 in my test. I also like the same bullet in the 45 Super at 1090 FPS. I would rather the larger diameter myself
Do you remember how many jugs it was by any chance? I'm just curious about the .44 with that load. I had a 270 grain Speer handload go through 9 jugs and bounce off the log backstop out of my 629.
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If memory serves the 240 grain 44 load exited jug 7 but missed the rest and the 255 grain 45 ACP slug went through 9 jugs and 10 and 11, but that is to the best of my memory at the moment. I posted the results here if someone can find them Link
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I tried out the BB 255 +P after seeing your test here.
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Thanks for the link.
My memory was off the 45 ACP penetrated much farther than I remembered
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Try full metal jacket an don't look back
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There is no FMJ that I am aware of that hits as hard as the 255 grain hard cast at 960 FPS or that penetrates as well
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Try full metal jacket an don't look back That's not the route I would take. I would go heavy hardcast, particularly with the velocity limitations.
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I live and hunt around GNP. Carry bear spray, and talk while hiking. Leave the 45 auto at home or at least in the car. Seriously. Personally I would never ever bet the farm on bear spray alone. What if a person accidentally got between a sow and her cub? The mother goes into protect mode and makes a full charge and the wind is blowing into your face, not my idea of the way to go. I much prefer to have a sidearm in that situation Damn straight, jwp. Pepper spray works, there's lots of evidence for that. But when it doesn't, bow howdy, better look out! More tools in the toolbox.
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If you're going to carry the 1911, just remove the front sight...
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FNG is right. It won't hurt as much.
Look at a ballistics table, or if you don't believe that go shoot some wet telephone books with a .44 mag, .30-30 rifle and a .30-06 and a big pistol if you have one. Then compare that to a .45 acp. A .45 LC with new loads likes buffalo of Garrett would be much better. I like at least 3000 foot-pounds for humped bears. A .45 acp has more like 600-700.
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FNG is right. It won't hurt as much.
Look at a ballistics table, or if you don't believe that go shoot some wet telephone books with a .44 mag, .30-30 rifle and a .30-06 and a big pistol if you have one. Then compare that to a .45 acp. A .45 LC with new loads likes buffalo of Garrett would be much better. I like at least 3000 foot-pounds for humped bears. A .45 acp has more like 600-700. Now if muzzle energy actually was a measure of lethality, I would agree. However, paper ballistics have about as much meaning as what you are wearing when hunting. Holes through vitals kill. If you have enough penetration you're in tall cotton.
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I own and love the .41 and the .44 mag I live in the south so no bears With that being said, in grizz country, I would want nothing less than a .454 casull out of a handgun Personally, I would carry my .460 s&w That .45 will do more than piss it off  (This coming from a HUGE .45acp fan)
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A grizz charging on all fours has no vital areas exposed,, good luck!
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