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I don't entirely buy self defense theory. He could have avoided confrontation simply by not following Martin. He was clearly told by 911 operator not to follow him. He elected to act nevertheless. Any reasonable man would be cognizant that a confrontation could happen in such situation. The bottom line is, even if his life was in danger when the fight erupted, what led to the confrontation was a result of his willful choice.
Isnt this like saying "Dont go to the store, its dangerous out there". Can I willfully pummel the sh*t out of anyone that I deem to be following me? Your statements make no sense at all.
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Thanks. I'm not so optimistic.
In my view, if the jury believes that Zimmerman followed and/or confronted Martin, they might very well disregard the law and and return a guilty verdict.
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Thanks. I'm not so optimistic.
In my view, if the jury believes that Zimmerman followed and/or confronted Martin, they might very well disregard the law and and return a guilty verdict. I, personally would not want to be judged by 6 women who were not smart enough to get out of Jury Duty! That's the scary part! Just Sayin.... 
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I'm obliged for the answer. Doctor of Law, TRH, didn't know.
I reckon he just became TRHJD. Gene. Thats why i have been addressing him as Bob's apprentice. I referred to him as Bob's intern. It's more appropriate in the legal world. My son "interned" at two Law Offices the summer before his last year of Law School, and went to work at the one he liked best when he graduated and was admitted to the the Bar shortly afterward. Of course, he worked his way thru school and had a mountain of student loans to repay [which he has done,btw] so he had no choice. He kinda liked the idea of CJ, but starting pay in a PA office sucks, and then he found that many of the trial lawyers at his firm had never seen the inside of a courtroom even after 5 or 6 years. So.... TRHjd is an intern and [I'm sure] grateful for all the legal training he gets from his mentor.  When do you think he will be upgraded to full partner?
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Lol. I think he should. Having on staff a failed police cadet and washout from law school could be very beneficial. I mean even small offices need maids
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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That is why nowadays if I need to REALLY go somewhere where I need to carry, I think twice before going anymore. Now if my wife is with me then I'll carry and take the grief to protect her, otherwise I just don't go. I'm telling you guys this Zimmerman case is a game changer and I still think they'll hang a manslaughter conviction on him as a "compromise" not knowing that here in Florida that might as well be 2nd Deg conviction.
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Tell you what boys, this nightmare makes it all the more difficult for one to carry, much less use a firearm to protect oneself. If even in Florida with one of the supposed best personal defense friendly states gets you into this much trouble, I think I'm staying home and become a recluse! Jorge - it does make one re-consider the consequences of (not so much carrying, but) standing your ground. Regardless of who is right, the shooter looses (legal costs, possible imprisonment, social rejection,etc.). Something to think about. That is precisely why any Firearm CCW instructor worth his sale should ALWAYS tell you the best option is to LEAVE which incidentally that is EXACTLY what Zimmerman was doing, LEAVING and going back to his truck before that criminal intercepted him and confronted him. He had no options then.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Lol. I think he should. Having on staff a failed police cadet and washout from law school could be very beneficial. I mean even small offices need maids  More like a go-fer... TRH go get some lunch...go get the car washed...pick up my suits..etc etc..
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Lol. I think he should. Having on staff a failed police cadet and washout from law school could be very beneficial. I mean even small offices need maids More like a go-fer... TRH go get some lunch...go get the car washed...pick up my suits..etc etc.. You know someday he is gonna show up at a campfire get together with a womens thong on his head and an uzi in his hands and go postal
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 Probably nun-chucks on his belt. 
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There will be a magic moment to react though. When he struggles to rip open the vacuum seal bag to get his shower gun.
Maybe all future events should have security...say a crazy eyed negro in a pick up truck
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Word is he could have a partnership tomorrow if he would assume LPE's liabilities as well.
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Maybe all future events should have security...say a crazy eyed negro in a pick up truck
Isnt that like TRH kryptonite?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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Word is he could have a partnership tomorrow if he would assume LPE's liabilities as well. Him and Isaac could be partners..... They could start a business selling vacuum sealed hand guns,ammo,nun-chucks and flash lights.
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Maybe all future events should have security...say a crazy eyed negro in a pick up truck
Isnt that like TRH kryptonite?
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Word is he could have a partnership tomorrow if he would assume LPE's liabilities as well. Him and Isaac could be partners..... They could start a business selling vacuum sealed hand guns,ammo,nun-chucks and flash lights. I can see it now. Mall ninja arbitration and equipment outlet
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With personal training from TRH.
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It was Trayvon that turned the conversation into an altercation.
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