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I have had a DPMS LR-308 AP-4 for about 4 years now, and while 'basic' is a good term to describe it, it has been a very good performer overall. One thing I would seriosuly advise is to budget accordingly for a proper trigger. if you do this, even my 'budget' AR-10 will shoot 1.5 MOA at 200 yds with factory Remmy 150 gr. ammo. I know because I have done it repeatedly, and I am not a world class shot, this is what it does off a quality Harris bipod. Here are a few observations based on my experience with the gun thus far:

I have the gun with a 16" barrel, this puts factory 150's at about 2500fps, plenty for me. Negative of this is the considerable BANG, although the DPMS factory FH on it does a fair job of pushing the blast out away from you.

The gun is very heavy. I have and ACE stock, and a DPMS free-float carbine length tube, long with a scope mount of unknown make (although a good one at that). My gun is 11.5 pounds with 6 rnds of ammo, VX-3 #.5x10 scope, and magpul mag installed. Try dragging that when you are dragging a deer (where I hunt, ATV's are not allowed, only un-powered hand carts, aka-SC public land). It is a pain, to put it mildly

In the next year or so, I intend to replace the ACE stock with a Magpul locking/adjustable, and suggest you seriously look at it for yours too, like this:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/23...llapsible-ar-15-lr-308-carbine-synthetic
I have one on my AR-15 and love it. I am also considering getting a carbon fiber HG, and again, so should you. Here is one I would like to have, although I admit it is super-pricey:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/23...guard-quad-rail-dpms-lr-308-carbon-fiber

I am not tyring to start a fight, but when I got this gun, at the time I also had an M1A Brush gun, and the AR's ergonomics and ability to eat just any ammo (M1A op-rod issues are real) made it a natural, so when I had to sell one to help pay for wifey's surgery, that choice was an easy one!

Anyway, there it is. PM me if you have any other questions I can help with

My LAR-8 predator barrel measures .740 at the muzzle and .875 at the gas block.

did you fire the RRA? I'd be more worried about function, accuracy, and reliability. I have friends who own Larue guns and they were impressed with my RRA guns.

The RRA LAR-8 comes with a 2 stage match trigger and winter trigger guard. That goes to my point about getting a semi-custom RRA gun for a basic gun price.



[/quote] The gun is very heavy. I have and ACE stock, and a DPMS free-float carbine length tube, long with a scope mount of unknown make (although a good one at that). My gun is 11.5 pounds with 6 rnds of ammo, VX-3 #.5x10 scope, and magpul mag installed. Try dragging that when you are dragging a deer (where I hunt, ATV's are not allowed, only un-powered hand carts, aka-SC public land). It is a pain, to put it mildly. [/quote]




My LAR-8 Predator weighs 10.5 pounds field ready with the RRA one piece scope mount, 3-9x50 Bushnell elite 3200 scope, nylon web sling, 20" heavy match barrel, factory stock, factory aluminum mid-length hand guard, metal 10 round mag loaded with 6 rounds of 150gr ammo.

I also own a 308 bolt gun, but My LAR-8 will shoot with any 308 I've seen at the range.

I'm sure the RR's are fine but I prefer AR's to be light and "alive", that's why I stick with 15's and carbines.

Here's my 308, (it weighs a little over 9 pounds) and a 5 shot 200 yard group that I messed up on.


I've owned and shot a couple of 16" AR-10's and shot a few really accurate 20" Target models, all Armalites. Had some over gassed issues when I tried to run a 150 gr bullet over 2750 fps in the carbines and the 20" guns were just too heavy to hunt with. Stuff a heavier high BC bullet in there and that's where the bolt guns win.

I went and looked RR's heavy barreled gun (varminter) weighs 10.4 pounds so its about the same as the other offerings. The Predator weighing 8.6 would be a good way to go if that's what you wanted.

Not much but, I ran an older Armalite AR-10T for a lot of years, it was a nice shooting brute, and never failed me, the 175 gr Sierras and Varget were it's favorites.

Gunner

Yeah the two I seen in person were the heavy 260 Armalites. When I hunt I'm usually in the stand from day break until 2-3 hours later then I'm walking until about 330 then sitting again so light is right for me. I should have kept my 338 Fed Kimber Montana! Although.... the guy that bought it was SUPPOSED to send the barrel back as part of the deal so I could build another one but of course he TOLD me he was going to keep the barrel after he got the gun.......
The 16" is a 338 Fed barrel?

Now I'm still learning so don't bite but, what's so semi custom about the Rock River compared to the others? I know the S&W comes with basic furniture but I don't really care what any AR type rifle comes with unless it's a ACS stock and Troy handguard since I'd be switching to them anyway. Is the BCG coated differently or a better barrel? $100 isnt much more for a better gun so maybe I should look at RRA's semi customs.

I just really don't see what makes them any better than DPMS or any other. I've had a S&W MP15 OR and it was as good as my Colt LE6929 is, I have a 6.8 SPC I build with primarily DPMS parts and it's awesome. I'm just saying if the only semi custom part about the RRA is having a better than "normal" stock or handguard that really doesn't matter since I'll be putting what I know I like on their anyway.

I do like that DPMS is a local company. Their HQ is less than 45 min from my house....

I like my DPMS.

Semi-custom because you can pick from a long list of options to customize your gun as you see fit, right from the factory.

Semi-custom because you get custom type features like:

air gauged barrels

cryogenically treated barrels

factory lapped barrels

two stage match triggers

winter trigger guard

accuracy guarantees

factory hard cases

Hogue grips

free=floated hand guards

and lifetime warrenty

[quote=dubyaThe 16" is a 338 Fed barrel? [/quote]

No, it's a .308

Get a dpms gun of your liking and enjoy an accurate, reliable, and great all around ar platform.

My LAR-8 Predator weighs 10.5 pounds field ready with the RRA one piece scope mount, 3-9x50 Bushnell elite 3200 scope, nylon web sling, 20" heavy match barrel, factory stock, factory aluminum mid-length hand guard, metal 10 round mag loaded with 6 rounds of 150gr ammo.

The RRA LAR-8 comes with a 2 stage match trigger and winter trigger guard. That goes to my point about getting a semi-custom RRA gun for a basic gun price.

Funny you should mention the LAR-8, it is a very good gun! At the time that I bought mine, a guy had an LAR-8 and the DPMS on hand, and my bud got the LAR-8, we actually flipped a coin for it, and that is how it shook out. one thing I do not care for is that the LAR-8 uses an FAL mag, and those prices can be low or very high, depending. With the DPMS< you have DPMS, Magpul, and at least one other maker out there, so 2-3 sources for mags is better than basically one. Also, many of the uppers and associated items for AR-10's will not transfer over to the LAR-8 platform. If prices ever reach levels of sanity again, I intend to build up an upper in 338 Federal. This is not nearly as easily done with the RRA product, do some research and see.

Lastly, I think the weight issue is pretty easily resolved when you realize that the scope base I have weighs twice what a Burris Mount weighs (not sure who made it, nice but heavy), and I am always looking on the heavy side at stuff like this, especially when you consider that I think 8+ pounds is pretty darn chunky

In the end, I think that the RRA product may be a hair nicer, but the DPMS has more parts that are easily available, so in the end, with either of these, you will not go wrong

There are advantages of the FAL magazines if you live on one of the communist states in this country. They are ALL Pre-Ban 20 round magazines, and in most cases they are the only legal High-cap mags allowed. The second advantage could be the longer FAL mag allows HEAVIER bullets to be loaded to longer COAL.

I wonder if anybody realizes how detracting it is to the orignal poster to have his post turn into this.

Ar10's/ar-308's have come a long ways from what they were, it's that simple.

One point to remember is that ar10/ar308 are not milspec, period. It's very easy to find what fits what and how much they weigh.

If weight and interchange ability are a consideration look at the cmmg MK3 38A20FB, Mine was 7lbs 10 ozs out of the box including the 20rd pmag. With a 10rd 308 mag and 3-9x40bdc scope it's still a tad under 10lbs.

And to make it better their customer service is very good and prompt, and the trigger is ok from the factory. Building a ar10/ar308 simply takes a little research to make into what is perfect for you. ( i just checked my notes and cmmg is 7lbs 10 ozs without the pmag, sorry.)

Please post the link to this information, many of us could use it. Thanks.

The first place i would start is ar15.com, you can find almost any ar platform information you need there. Yes it can be clicky but the info is there.

After that you could try predatormasters.com while it isn't as complete as ar15. there is still good input from people who make and sale ar platform rifles there and their willing to help, just ask.

Next a seach of any of the search engines like google etc. will turn up info on barrel weights and compatibility, Snipershide can help as well, but again clicky.

I guess i should have said there isn't one single place to get the info you need, but it is out there and ar15.com would probably come the closest to having it all.

Depending upon what search engine you use you should be able to just type in what you need such as barrel weights etc. and come up with a list to start with and that list will most likely take you to other places to look.


I hope that helps some. blue

Blue, I'm still wondering what this has turned into that it doesn't on any other site.

Arfcom is good to sell stuff on the equipment exchange but the general info is so cluttered with BS and "dealers" input that the truth is hard to find.

PM is a joke.

Google searches can certainly fill up your day but in the end it's still all speculation at best.

No the AR-10 copies aren't mil spec but Armalites version has been issued to a few countries around the world. LMT is mil spec for England. DPMS and Remington have both submitted guns to the SASS (I think that's right) program. LaRue Tactical has one entered as well.

Basically, it's all still just as muddy as it ever was. Find what you like and use it. I personally don't want to waste 2 pounds in a buffer and carrier just to make the system work.

The original Stoner design was the AR-10 but the Army wanted a lighter rifle for good reason. Thus we have the AR-15.

Well lets start at the begining, it does happen on most every other site, i didn't say otherwise, i simply said it's distracting to the orignal question.

I'm pretty sure i'm not the only one to find the the information i'm searching for on those others sites as well. As for being a joke, well everybody has an opion thats what makes most of us interesting.

In spite of the current politics saying that the world does owe you a living the truth is that if a person isn't willing to do the research, then they don't really want it.

Anyone willing to take the time to look can find any ar10/ar308 info they want. (My mispelled words are cuz of me).