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It seems to me that the prosecutor is again, in his closing argument, introducing doubt with every point he makes, he keeps saying couldn't have this happened, couldn't have that happened, absolutely no evidence to support his assumptions but none the less hammering his version of the story home.









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I'm thinking (hoping) the prosecutors remarks about Zimmerman being "armed" won't set too well with the jurors who have CCDW permits or have family members with such.

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I realize I am dreaming, but it would be great to see an acquital and then one of the jurors say during an interview that she felt the judge showed some bias for the prosecution.

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Two times Martin had a clear path to his father's house, two times he reversed course and came back for confrontation. Nobody on the left wants to address the wisdom in that, only Zimmerma's wisdom in following.







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This is friggin' surreal!

The PA is meandering around, trying to concoct stories about what the evidence might mean. I thought the State's job was to present 1 story, & prove the hell out of it, whereas the defense got to toss around "what if's" and "maybe's" to cast doubt on that story.

This case is the exact freakin' opposite.

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for those that missed the earlier link to the streaming closing arguments.

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-fl...verage/watch-george-zimmerman-trial-live


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and by the way, i still think Z is hosed. no way a country that elects and re-elects Obama will acquit this guy.

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Originally Posted by Folically_Challenged
This is friggin' surreal!

The PA is meandering around, trying to concoct stories about what the evidence might mean. I thought the State's job was to present 1 story, & prove the hell out of it, whereas the defense got to toss around "what if's" and "maybe's" to cast doubt on that story.

This case is the exact freakin' opposite.

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Yep. He's trying to instill a reasonable doubt in their minds as to Zimmerman's claim of justified use of lethal force in self-defense. He's got it backwards. His burden is to eliminate all reasonable doubt regarding the state's claim that he wasn't justified in his use of lethal force in self-defense. However, the jury could easily become confused on burdens of proof. That might be what he's hoping for, which is unethical to the point of criminal, in my book.

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It's reported juror B29, a Hispanic nurse, hasn't taken notes during the state's closing nor has she made eye contact with the prosecutor.

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there is no such thing as ethics in this country anymore.

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Originally Posted by isaac
It's repoted juror B29, a Hispanic nurse, hasn't taken notes during the state's closing nor has she made eye contact with the prosecutor.


That be good!








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Originally Posted by isaac
It's reported juror B29, a Hispanic nurse, hasn't taken notes during the state's closing nor has she made eye contact with the prosecutor.
Guaranteed no conviction, anyway.

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Unbelievable closing. "It could be" has been said so many times I lost count. The prosecution has to prove "What is" not what could be. The defense will get to come in and close with what is and point out that all the prosecution has is "it could be".



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Originally Posted by smalljawbasser
there is no such thing as ethics in this country anymore.


I think there are. No like there should be, but there are still a lot of ethical, moral people. We see so much trash in the news and politics that we forget about the good folks...

Kinda like if you bust your nail with a hammer. 90% of your fingers are still good, but that one is the only one you think about. I doubt it's 90%, but there are still a lot of good folks out there.

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i hope you are right.

was that just an objection by the defense in the middle of a closing argument?

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Yes, it was an objection. Prosecutor improperly shifted burden to defense.

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Good Lord! This prosecutor reeks of desperation. It's painfully clear that he has nothing left but to try to serve some innuendo soup. I'm hoping the jury has no appetite for it.

In the meantime, I'm wondering if the defense will take his bait, & waste time (and the jury's attention) trying to refute all this BS, point-by-point. In my mind, the defense ought to take 10 minutes, or less:

1) Eye witness places TM straddling & beating GZ
2) GZ was in fear of his life from the beating, & from being shot with his own gun if TM were to gain control of it
3) GZ, being unable to retreat, or to defend himself physically, shoots TM.

Nothing else matters.

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Originally Posted by Folically_Challenged
Good Lord! This prosecutor reeks of desperation. It's painfully clear that he has nothing left but to try to serve some innuendo soup. I'm hoping the jury has no appetite for it.

In the meantime, I'm wondering if the defense will take his bait, & waste time (and the jury's attention) trying to refute all this BS, point-by-point. In my mind, the defense ought to take 10 minutes, or less:

1) Eye witness places TM straddling & beating GZ
2) GZ was in fear of his life from the beating, & from being shot with his own gun if TM were to gain control of it
3) GZ, being unable to retreat, or to defend himself physically, shoots TM.

Nothing else matters.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ well put, and exactly right. All the rest is BS.


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Originally Posted by isaac
It's reported juror B29, a Hispanic nurse, hasn't taken notes during the state's closing nor has she made eye contact with the prosecutor.


What does that mean in real terms for deliberation, from your experience?


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Originally Posted by Folically_Challenged
Good Lord! This prosecutor reeks of desperation. It's painfully clear that he has nothing left but to try to serve some innuendo soup. I'm hoping the jury has no appetite for it.

In the meantime, I'm wondering if the defense will take his bait, & waste time (and the jury's attention) trying to refute all this BS, point-by-point. In my mind, the defense ought to take 10 minutes, or less:

1) Eye witness places TM straddling & beating GZ
2) GZ was in fear of his life from the beating, & from being shot with his own gun if TM were to gain control of it
3) GZ, being unable to retreat, or to defend himself physically, shoots TM.

Nothing else matters.

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