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Now THAT is a great solution to bullet failure!

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No bullet works 100% one hundred percent of the time.

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Originally Posted by Winchestermodel70
No bullet works 100% one hundred percent of the time.


Now that's a Drank statement if ever there was one. Bovine Scatoria for sure.


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Maybe yours don't, but in 35 years and a LOT of dead animals, I have never had a cast 520 grain Govt. bullet out of a 45 caliber Sharps do anything but give complete pass through penetration in a straight line. I have never had one tumble or blow up or otherwise fail in any way.

I'm just saying that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

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Originally Posted by AlabamaEd
Originally Posted by Winchestermodel70
No bullet works 100% one hundred percent of the time.


Now that's a Drank statement if ever there was one. Bovine Scatoria for sure.


Just out of curiosity, how many safaris have you been on and when did you complete the Big Five? Please tell us the extent of your african dangerous game experience so we can evaluate whether you were describing cow scat or cape buffalo scat?

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Originally Posted by sharpsguy
Maybe yours don't, but in 35 years and a LOT of dead animals, I have never had a cast 520 grain Govt. bullet out of a 45 caliber Sharps do anything but give complete pass through penetration in a straight line. I have never had one tumble or blow up or otherwise fail in any way.

I'm just saying that there is more than one way to skin a cat.


Did that bullet work well on lion, leopard, cape buff, elephant and rhino? Please tell us whether you have brain shot elephant with it (frontal brain shot) or was it a heart-lung shot on your elephant? Did the bullet perform well on rhino? Did the lion drop at the shot or was there a follow up involved?

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Sharpsguy sure flattened a Zebra (among other things) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Fqs543qxTHE


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While I have been on three safaris, I have never hunted dangerous game. A matter of money. However, a friend of mine used that cast round nosed bullet to shoot a cape buffalo with his 458 Win Mag. I loaded the ammo, and at 1350 fps velocity, the bullet blew through both shoulders and exited from 50 yards.

I have shot through and through both black and blue wildebeast, and shot through one black wildebeast from into his left rear ham to out his brisket. Lengthwise through about six feet of wildebeast. I have shot through and through two zebra and not recovered a bullet.

The rifle and load shoots all the way through elk and bison. The last bison I took weighed over 2000 pounds and the bullet exited through the off side shoulder. The animal dropped at the shot. The next day an acquaintance of mine shot another bison similar to mine with a 505 Gibbs, and did NOT get complete pass through penetration. That bison went over 400 yards before going down. If I can shoot through bison--and I have done it with six of them--I hardly see how it will be a problem to shoot through a lion. FWIW, my PH wanted me to go for cape buffalo and elephant with the Sharps, but I simply couldn't afford it. I am trying to put together a trip for cape buffalo right now, and I don't think I will be under gunned with the Sharps and cast lead bullets. After all, Selous used cast bullets to good effect.

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Winchestermodel70, I see you're trying to equate a certain amount of experience with being an expert. I have no idea what your level of experience is, but I do know that after guiding loads of hunters over the past 10-11 years, many of the so called expert and experienced hunters we've had in camp are actually idiots who actually know about 25% of what they're talking about.


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Mule Deer earlier in this thread spoke of on processing the carcas of checking to see what damage or story can be told. Just looking at a bullet may not tell the story.

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The two 375 Hornady solids were recovered from a kudu. The first shot was from the rear. It did not exit and I didn't see that as an issue as it had to travel a bit. The second shot was when he tried to regain his footing when I approached and it went into the neck area in front of the shoulder. I was surprised it did not exit and had asked the skinner if he could find the bullets. He gave me these two bullets and it confused me why one on the left bent.
I asked the skinner where he found them and he places them in my hand like this
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I'm frankly surprised that the 375 WITH SOLIDS didn't shoot all the way through the kudu, regardless of the angle.

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Originally Posted by sharpsguy
While I have been on three safaris, I have never hunted dangerous game. A matter of money. However, a friend of mine used that cast round nosed bullet to shoot a cape buffalo with his 458 Win Mag. I loaded the ammo, and at 1350 fps velocity, the bullet blew through both shoulders and exited from 50 yards.

I have shot through and through both black and blue wildebeast, and shot through one black wildebeast from into his left rear ham to out his brisket. Lengthwise through about six feet of wildebeast. I have shot through and through two zebra and not recovered a bullet.

The rifle and load shoots all the way through elk and bison. The last bison I took weighed over 2000 pounds and the bullet exited through the off side shoulder. The animal dropped at the shot. The next day an acquaintance of mine shot another bison similar to mine with a 505 Gibbs, and did NOT get complete pass through penetration. That bison went over 400 yards before going down. If I can shoot through bison--and I have done it with six of them--I hardly see how it will be a problem to shoot through a lion. FWIW, my PH wanted me to go for cape buffalo and elephant with the Sharps, but I simply couldn't afford it. I am trying to put together a trip for cape buffalo right now, and I don't think I will be under gunned with the Sharps and cast lead bullets. After all, Selous used cast bullets to good effect.


1. Why would anyone want to use a cast bullet out of a .458 Win @ 1,350 fps on Cape Buffalo?

2. It is spelled Wildebeest, not Wildebeast.

3. I don't think you understand lion hunting. When lion hunting, on the first shot, assuming Panthera Leo is taken by surprise, you want a frangible bullet like a Partition at moderate velocity (<2,600 fps) to impart hydrostatic shock and shut down his nervous system. Your Sharps may, however, work well on a frontal shot in the event of a charge. Dunno. Try it and let us know.

4. Yes, you are correct. the .505 Gibbs is a weak cartridge suitable only for the smaller antelope. God forbid that anyone try to hunt dangerous game with one. Feel better now?

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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Winchestermodel70, I see you're trying to equate a certain amount of experience with being an expert. I have no idea what your level of experience is, but I do know that after guiding loads of hunters over the past 10-11 years, many of the so called expert and experienced hunters we've had in camp are actually idiots who actually know about 25% of what they're talking about.


I don't claim to be an "expert". But I have done more than kill a wildebeest and a zebra over the course of multiple safaris.

Well over 150 head of african game, encompassing a myriad of different species. The Big Five Award. African Hunter of the Year Award. A Boy Scout Merit badge when I was 14. You?

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1. Because it will shoot all the way through him, collapse his lungs, and kill him graveyard dead. Actually, my friend was interested in verifying the performance of the bullet. He had 2 Noslers down in the magazine, and didn't need them. The PH didn't need his 460 Weatherby, either.

2. Spell it anyway you want.



3. The lion won't go anywhere with a 500 grain cast bullet through his shoulders. Trust me.

4. BS.

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Winchester Model 70--Tell you what. If you want to spend some of that money that you apparently have plenty of to further your shooting education, do this. Spring for a DG Safari for both of us, and you can see the Sharps work with heavy cast bullets on the big boys. I'm in for my plane fare, you pick up the rest. Think about it.

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I'm not jumping into this ruckus, but was the bullet in the 505 a soft or a solid?


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It was a soft.

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Originally Posted by sharpsguy
Winchester Model 70--Tell you what. If you want to spend some of that money that you apparently have plenty of to further your shooting education, do this. Spring for a DG Safari for both of us, and you can see the Sharps work with heavy cast bullets on the big boys. I'm in for my plane fare, you pick up the rest. Think about it.


If you are a tall, slender pretty woman with long, honey color hair and green eyes, not much over the age of 25, we may be able to work something out. If not, I'm afraid you'll have to pay for your own DG safari....

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