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Syria and the Iraq Syndrome Responding to Assad is about more than our interests. It is 'about who we are. By WILLIAM A. GALSTON-
Only now is America reckoning the full cost of the disaster in Iraq�friends in the Middle East doubting our competence, our closest ally unwilling to stand with us in Syria, our people weary and fearful of entanglements that could prove open-ended. Little more than a decade after the Vietnam syndrome was laid to rest, an Iraq syndrome has replaced it.
The question is whether this new sentiment will dominate policy�whether acting for the wrong reasons in Iraq will prevent us from acting for the right reasons in Syria.
On Friday, in what was surely Secretary of State John Kerry's finest hour, he stated the challenge clearly to the nation: "Now, we know that after a decade of conflict, the American people are tired of war. Believe me, I am too. But fatigue does not absolve us of our responsibility."
"Our responsibility." What is it? What does it require of us? In the first place, "our" means all of us�the United States, not just the president. Whatever the truth of the interminable debate over the limits of executive power, Mr. Obama was right to ask the members of Congress, as representatives of the American people, to join him in a firm but measured response to Bashar Assad's crime against his own people.
But why is it this country's responsibility? The stark fact is that the U.S. is the only country in the world with the capacity to respond to Assad's outrageous use of chemical weapons in a way that might deter him from repeating it.
It would be good to have friends and allies standing with the U.S. But from a military standpoint, it is not strictly necessary. If America acts, others may follow�or at least offer support. If we don't, no one else will.
If you don't have the ability to do something, it makes no sense to say that you have a responsibility to do it. It does not follow that if you do have the ability to do something you also have the responsibility to do it. It does mean that you can't avoid the question.
For better or worse (mostly for better, I believe), the United States is the guarantor of the global order, which we took the lead in creating. In that role, we provide global public goods�forms of stability and security, such as freedom of the seas, from which other nations benefit, not just us.
True enough, the stability and security that this country provides allows other nations to be free-riders, to benefit from what we do without contributing to it. Understandably, the American people resent this�and when a foreign involvement backfires, they want to scale back the nation's global role.
But Americans benefit, perhaps more than anyone else, from the leading role the country plays in the world. The task of U.S. leaders is to remind the people that we have a lot to lose if others come to believe that we are no longer willing to bear the burdens of leadership.
These general truths do not resolve the particular question now before the country. Some things are clear. The president's aim in Syria is deterrence, not regime change. The means cannot include boots on the ground, and the actions taken must minimize the risk that any Americans will fall into Assad's hands.
A purely symbolic act would be worse than useless, however. Mr. Obama and Congress should weigh the possibility that effective deterrence may require targeting regime assets (such as Assad's air force) beyond those specifically involved in the poison-gas attack.
By seeking authorization for the use of military force, Mr. Obama has put the political system to a test. Has Congress lost the ability to treat serious matters seriously? Can the president persuade a reluctant people to follow him? He will not be able to do this unless he makes his case wholeheartedly, without reluctance or ambivalence.
Syria is about more than our interests, narrowly construed. What we do now is "profoundly about who we are," as Mr. Kerry put it. "We are the country that has tried, not always successfully, but always tried to honor a set of universal values around which we have organized our lives and our aspirations. This crime against conscience, this crime against humanity, this crime against the most fundamental principles of international community, against the norm of the international community�this matters to us, and it matters to who we are. And it matters to leadership and to our credibility in the world."
Mr. Obama will need to convey this idea to the American people as well, from the Oval Office. He must be prepared to go all-in to win what is shaping up as a tough fight on Capitol Hill. One thing is clear: A loss would shatter his presidency, and a lot more.
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n what was surely Secretary of State John Kerry's finest hour Finest! hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Good one. The stark fact is that the U.S. is the only country in the world with the capacity to respond to Assad's outrageous use of chemical weapons in a way that might deter him from repeating it. No actually we are not, Russia Israel France heck anyone with a nuke.
A government is the most dangerous threat to man�s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.
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I despise John Kerry. Notwithstanding, it was his finest hour.
Separate the politics from what is right and what makes this country noble.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward
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Mr. G is full of chitt.
We do not know for a fact Assad gassed his own people.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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During Desert Storm there was "the mile of death". The countries in the Middle East believed up until that day "we would never do something like that". They feared us with reason to do so. Then there was a change in the White House. Bill Clinton and the Blackhawk down incident removed the fear we earned during Desert Storm. For 8 years he allowed Saddam thumb his nose at the UN and the US. Saddam used chemical weapons against Iran's troops. After Desert Storm he used them against the Kurds in Iraq. There was no response from the US. Only after 3,000 innocent people died an 9/11 did we react to our enemy with a real response. By then Saddam had moved his WMDs. Now we "have" to get involved in Syria? I hope it goes better the CF of Libya and Egypt! Even the people of the Middle East realize Obama and our government no longer represent the American citizens.
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If he did , he didn't use enough gas or he wouldn't still be fighting the Rebels. If they all die at each others hands the world would be better off , this would be better than one US Soldier losing his life for a country that will never change.
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I despise John Kerry. Notwithstanding, it was his finest hour.
Separate the politics from what is right and what makes this country noble. IMO,..Been a Whole bunch more innocent Mexicans murdered than Syrians, and they're on our doorstep. If this country cares about "Right and Noble", that's where we should start, not Syria.
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But why is it this country's responsibility? The stark fact is that the U.S. is the only country in the world with the capacity to respond to Assad's outrageous use of chemical weapons in a way that might deter him from repeating it. Have to disagree on this point. There are many countries that could respond. China, Russia, Iran, India, Germany, France, England, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Israel and Japan all have the technical means to conduct and effective response.
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"Syria is about more than our interests, narrowly construed. What we do now is "profoundly about who we are," as Mr. Kerry put it. "We are the country that has tried, not always successfully, but always tried to honor a set of universal values around which we have organized our lives and our aspirations. This crime against conscience, this crime against humanity, this crime against the most fundamental principles of international community, against the norm of the international community�this matters to us, and it matters to who we are. And it matters to leadership and to our credibility in the world."
A crockofshit.
Obama wrote a check without funds to cover it, and now he wants it honored.
It's HIS name on the hot check.......... not the Senators, Representatives, and for damn sure not the grunts who expects to bail him out.
The R's need to [bleep] Boehner and Cantor and tell Obama to shut up and quit pissin' Putin off.
Never holler whoa or look back in a tight place
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Ya know, I might be able to really stretch my imagination & buy into the U.S. being "responsible" & taking action if that action was strong, decisive & accomplished something.
But unfortunately, anything that is done by the comedic bunch of idiots in the WH will do none of those things.
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Bob, you're really showing your true colors lately.
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I despise John Kerry. Notwithstanding, it was his finest hour.
Separate the politics from what is right and what makes this country noble. He wouldn't even answer if Obama would abide by congress's vote. I rather liked his Genges Khan speech.
A government is the most dangerous threat to man�s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.
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Hock...hush up,goofball. Can't you go +1 or "well said" others who think for you?
Your stalking and doubling stupid with your posts is getting a quite bit freaky. Do you have some alert that goes off when folks you wish to emulate post?
Have some more muscle milk and some animal crackers. Someone will be along in a minute to tell you what to actually think.
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[bleep] Syria, [bleep] Kerry, and [bleep] anybody stupid enough to enter the world stage and not choose their words.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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If he did , he didn't use enough gas or he wouldn't still be fighting the Rebels. If they all die at each others hands the world would be better off , this would be better than one US Soldier losing his life for a country that will never change. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yeah, what he said. NO American lives for this schitthole country, this schitthead POtuS, or this administration, period. Let them kill each other off, none of them are worth our time or trouble.
You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.
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,...never heard of Galston so I googled his name.
Why should anybody pay attention to what that hardcore liberal has to say?
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Well isaac who should we support with all that super power might?
Al qaeda or maybe the muslim brotherhood? Perhaps a combination of the two with sprinkling of Hamas and a side of Hezbollah?
Care to answer?
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Sure, babies and innocent children being gassed.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward
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Sure, babies and innocent children being gassed. We're talkin' about Syria, not Waco............ try and keep up.
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I thought you would at least have some sort of cogent reason for your position.
ETA: I know you are an attorney but could you at least answer the question posed...who do you support?
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