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You dont know much about Murphys Law, do you....

The number one rule to gun safety is to never point a barrel at anyone, much less, yourself.

It also helps if you remove your finger from the trigger when you release the saftey

BAM...........

Kind of funny, all the custom smiths I've rubbed elbows with or spoken to install them happily/regularly without a bad word to say amongst them........

B S !

The 721 that let go was my dad's, and he bought it new, never altering anything ever.

The 700 I had let go was bought new, and I had never had it out of the stock. It happened about a year after I got the gun. I had put a whopping box of shells through it by then.

Your statement is false, and you have no basis to know all the other incidents' circumstances. Diehards go with their eyes closed.

Looks like it may be best for a guy to avoid those experienced shooters. The inexperienced shooters that have a clue probably handle their firearms more safely and knowledgeably - and maybe fewer cynical know-it-all types among the crude novices.

Reading comprehension issues as well. Read what I said about proper gun handling. I think that means not pointing a gun at someone for starters DUH

Yes of course. But haven't the rules changed lately.. haven't shot since 2004.

BUT the point was if the trigger is faulty design, and SOME point over billions of rounds fired, the thing should fail with its sear engagement and go bang as you close the bolt.

And FWIW most of the bolt gun guys used the safetys a few times during a match, going and coming, so its not like the safeties were not engaged/disengaged more than a normal hunter would over the course of that rifles life.

Totally agree.

Since a good number of these ADs have been with triggers that have never been adjusted by the owners, I can only assume that they come from the factory improperly adjusted. That in itself is grounds for lawsuits.

But no one is watching every idiot every time they handle a 700... The inability to recreate the event proves the far more likely cause was a finger on the trigger when they pushed the safety off.

Jack Belk could not recreate the AD, and admitted so in court, on any rifle claimed to have suffered same.

Bubbaing a trigger and having it do so is not difficult.

Not at all. It's well known that many thousands of safeties are moved to fire without an AD. It's a rare event but it does happen. The odds of Belk repeating it in even 1000 attempts are very small. Unless he had a gun that did it a lot, which is quite rare, I'd be very surprised if he could make it happen in a demo. My dad's rifle only did it once in 60 years that I know of. What are the odds of getting it to happen again in a demonstration? Almost zero.

Wow! Sorry, but you have obviously not spent any time inside a 700 trigger!

Again, the leading cause of ADs with the 700 trigger is Bubba... I also believe the leading cause of one-off ADs involves a finger.

Mechanical things that function more than 99.9% of the time and then never show the symptom again are not the problem when a very simple probable cause is so readily "at hand" and there are at least two puns in this post.

The fact is they happen on un-bubba'd triggers as they came from the factory.

Dumbassery will cause all kind of problems, but the AD when a safety is moved from safe to fire is real, albeit extremely rare.

Some people won't ever believe it until they see it.

When they happen, and I have seen them many times, it was Bubba that did it... They do NOT happen just once and never repeat themselves. That gets over into thinking something will just suddenly happen less than once in a thousand times and never happen again... Sorry, but that is a very hard sell when there is a ridiculously simple answer to the why of the failure.

Every "fire on closing" or "fire on safety release" situation I have seen was absolutely repeatable very frequently, and Bubba had been there.

I have looked at triggers that supposedly did one of the above that had never been touched. I have not seen them AD, ever. Jack Belk admitted he had NEVER seen one either, in court.

How can you know it isn't a finger when the odds are so hugely against your stance?

Had it happen on my custom built Remington 700 in 300 Weatherby mag a couple of times. Took it to several gunsmiths none could find a problem with the safety. Just before taking it to a gunsmith for some unrelated work I placed the wife's lip stick on the trigger assembly and reinstalled in the stock worked the safety then removed the barreled action from the stock. There was lipstick on the wood in the trigger area so removed wood from trigger area reinstalled the barrel action and haven't had a problem since.

The safety wasn't the problem, it was the idiot that did the inlet of the wood in the trigger area that caused the problem, namely me.

Another one bites the dust.

If one believes all the bull one reads on this site there really aren't many rifles left out there that are worth spit. Haven't most all of them been crucified in print here at one time or another?

Opinions are like rifles, every hunter has one.

The simple answer is because I have seen it.

A new, less than one year old, 700 BDL in 243 Win.

The gun was purchased at a local store, new in box, and had rings and scope mounted. A patch was run through the bore and less than a box of shells were used to sight it in and shoot a couple groups. The rifle was put in the safe and left for a few months.

I pulled the gun out prior to the start of the season and as usual checked the chamber right away and worked the bolt. When I went to move the safety, the firing pin dropped. WTF? I cycled the bolt again and worked the safety. Twice in a row the gun released the pin. I hollered for pop thinking WTF is up with that. I tried to repeat it for him but it would not do it again.

I pulled the stock and everything was perfectly clean.

I have used that gun several times since but have fired only 20-30 rounds through it and it has not done it again, but I sure as [bleep] don't trust the safety.

It was my experience, I know what happened. No bubba trigger, no finger near the trigger, no dirt, oil or neglect.

I don't blame people for being skeptical. There has got to be a gazillion 700's out there and as dumb as alot of people I have met seem to be, there should be a stack of bodies.

But there it is.

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. According to the TV special that aired a few years back regarding the Remington lawsuits the AD'S happen frequently to the SWAT/miltary snipers who use M40'S/700'S with the faulty trigger design too. It is rather funny that all the experts here can't examine the 700 trigger assembly and see the mechanical design flaw that causes the fire at release of safety to happen. Jack Belk has explained/shown the problem in great and vivid detail with blueprints/diagrams many times and it's quite evident to anyone with a smidgen of mechanical aptitude/comprehension what the problem is when you see it.

Here is one of those EXPERIENCED shooters, lots of those types out there and on the 'Fire