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With the VX-6, you get top quality optical performance. Barsnes tested one at an 8 on his resolution and low light test scale. That matches the very best from S&B, Zeiss, etc. With a VX-3, you would get a 7. With both scopes, you get super hard coatings, something Zeiss and S&B don't have. With the VX-3, you get the same dual spring adjustments that the Leupold Mk. 4 tactical scopes have. With the VX-6, they add a pop up feature. Both scopes also feature Leupold's Krpton/Argon gas fill which should work better than the traditional nitrogen fill. E
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I'm pleased as punch on my Nitrex models......
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The VX-6 is a "series" upgrade from the VX-3. It's Leupie's best attempt right now, and is very good.
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Some observations. First, compare 40mm to 40mm or the comparison is just silly. In answer to your original post The SuperSlam is terrific but heavy. I think Weavers have some of the best adjustments going- without having Swaro or S & B experience. The only I may like better are Meopta. Super precise and sharp feeling clicks. All are very bright scopes and rugged as heck. The new crop out there are just awesome- although I thnik Zeiss took a step backwards.
I have been fixed 6x guy for years (having multiple 6x from many companies) but decided on a variable for my latest. Typically went Meopta first but compared the 3x9 Meopro to the VX3 and chose the Leupold. Prettier scope, lighter, a bit smaller overall, and I wanted to try out the B and C reticle. I tested in the field side by side against my M8 6x42 and the VX 3 was brighter, sharper, and had better color. I am amazed how late I can use it - and this coming from a 6x fan.
Meopta, Weaver or VX3- all super choices. For me it came down to reticle choice and weight. The new VX3 adjustment design is much better than the old- but not quite as crisp as Meopta or Weaver, although it seems more repeatable than past Leupolds I have had. Oh, mine came with the Alumina screw on lens covers for free. Great when storing long term. It also came with a nifty neoprene dust cover than I really like.
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I have had a bunch of leupolds and only 3 super slams. I did not think the SS were lacking anything.....except for one which caused the POI to wander about MOA to the left if you dialed in about 14 MOA.
I have not visited the SWFA SS scopes in about 8 or 10 years, I am hearing decent acclaims of their newer offerings.
If I were telling a friend what to do I would say get a leupold or conquest and be done.
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Ok, you guys have me thinking about Meopta. How are the 1 inch versions? I really want low light ability and positive adjustments.
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1k really opens up your choices on some pretty darn decent glass. Meopta, Zeiss HD5, Swaro Z3, V6. Shop around a bit and all can be had at decent prices. You can get into much more scope than a VX3 with that budget.
If your budget was down in the 600ish range, I'd be searching the web for the Conquest 4.5-14x44. IMO it can't be touched at it's price point.
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I've owned them all. The HD5 is very hard to beat for under a grand. It betters the vx3 by a large margin, but it should at nearly twice the cost. The swaro is better optically than anything under a grand. I don't spin knobs so I cant speak for the return to zero. Mine works fantastic and I couldn't be happier. The conquest is a very good scope, equal to the vx3 to my eyes. I had an hd5 and a swaro side by side and I ended up keeping the swaro. It extended light by a good 15 minutes over the zeiss. Both were very crisp and clear.
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The meoptas are nice, but are very heavy. Their glass is really good. Decent buy if you're ok with the weight.
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The swaro is better optically than anything under a grand. This is flat out wrong. I purchased four Swarovski z5 5-25X52 before I kept one. None, and I mean none, were as clear as my Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 during daylight and only two were better in low light. Two were not as good as my Bushnell 4200 4-16X40's in low light and two matched the 4200 in low light. I am not a very happy Swarovski owner, but they are the only company making a high magnification scope about 18 ounces.
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I don't agree that the Conquest is better than the VX-3, as someone posted earlier. The Conquest has heavier duplex than the VX-3 and has a larger ocular. The glass is equivalent, IMHO.
My pick of the VX-3 litter is the 3.5-10x40 CDS, as I'm a turret twister and like the FOV.
The VX-6 is a big scope, the glass is better than the VX-3 or Conquest, probably as good as a Z3, which is 1" and a smaller scope.
I have a 6500 2.5-16x40. It's a great scope, gives the Conquests and VX-3's a run for the roses.
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I have had multiples of each. Dozens of Weavers and Leupolds.
I like Conquest glass just fine. And the slightly heavier duplex. But the turrets SUCK.........
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I have a Conquest with retrofit elevation turret, haven't used it yet. How do they "suck"?
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No 2 feel/sound the same. Some audible, some not. Some "mushy", some not. Plus they wear out faster than any Leupold. PLUS, they spin "backwards".
When I contacted Zeiss USA I was told "That's just the way they are". NO THANKS.
Why would Zeiss make a scope specifically targeted at USA users/shooters and have the turrets spin "backwards" of every scope said user/shooters are used to? Piss poor planning right there..........
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The swaro is better optically than anything under a grand. This is flat out wrong. I purchased four Swarovski z5 5-25X52 before I kept one. None, and I mean none, were as clear as my Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 during daylight and only two were better in low light. Two were not as good as my Bushnell 4200 4-16X40's in low light and two matched the 4200 in low light. I am not a very happy Swarovski owner, but they are the only company making a high magnification scope about 18 ounces. Scopes look different to different eyes. I can tell you that my eyes say you're flat out wrong, but to each his own. The elites are good, not as good as the swaro IMO.
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I think Swaros are better than Elites. I have several 4200's, one 6500, a Z3 and a Z5. To me the 6500 runs more with Conquests and VX-3's, holding its own with those, quite well.
Compared to VX-6's and Swaros, the 6500 glass doesn't quite keep up, IMHO.
It's subjective, for sure.
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I think Swaros are better than Elites. I have several 4200's, one 6500, a Z3 and a Z5. To me the 6500 runs more with Conquests and VX-3's, holding its own with those, quite well.
Compared to VX-6's and Swaros, the 6500 glass doesn't quite keep up, IMHO.
It's subjective, for sure.
DF My thoughts exactly!
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Originally Posted By: Dirtfarmer I think Swaros are better than Elites. I have several 4200's, one 6500, a Z3 and a Z5. To me the 6500 runs more with Conquests and VX-3's, holding its own with those, quite well.
Compared to VX-6's and Swaros, the 6500 glass doesn't quite keep up, IMHO.
It's subjective, for sure.
DF My thoughts exactly! I must have the best 6500 and 4200's made. And I must have really bad luck with Swarovskis. I compared them side by side on antlers and line charts during good light and low light.
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