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First off let me thank Craftsman for his accurate post.

I am a Mason and very proud to be one.

I am a Christian, specifically a Presbyterian. I beleive the Lord Jesus Christ is my personal savior, I believe in Heaven, and I believe in prayer.

OK, the Masons say you must believe in a supreme being, yes much like the Boy Scouts. You can't be an atheist and be in either organization.

These are my opinions and they are based on facts, but being opinions, they also have beliefs involved.

The same folks who started this country are the same folks who started the Protestant Reformation, and are the same folks who started the current FreeMason fraternity. These things occured at different times over a couple of hundred years, but it involved oppressed Anglo-Saxons. I am Scots-Irish and my people have been here since before the Revolutionary War. It is no secret that their beliefs are similar. So in other words our country was not founded specifically on Masonic virtues, it is just that the virtues are the same.

Now the reason the catholic church has a problem with FreeMasonry is because the Masons do not believe in state sponsored religion. The catholics do, just look at the Vatican. The fact that Cardinal Ratzinger, later Pope, and presently resigned pope is one of the biggest opponents to FreeMasonry is no surprize. These Masons don't like state sponsored religion, and also scrutinized the Vaticans banking. Hmmmm, didn't Pope Benedict resign over the books?

Now to the Baptists. The Baptists are victims of themselves. In the 1960's and earlier, and to some degree in the 1970's most of a churches elders were all good Masons; many pastors were Masons as well. I kind of blame Pat Robertson, who is an avowed enemy of FreeMasonry and Jerry Falwell for causing Baptists specifically and Christians in general to question their compatibility with FreeMasons. I will give Pat and Jerry the benfit of the doubt and blame it on egos, but it may be financial. Now the main reason they say the two are incompatible is Christianity says if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you will live forever in his house, the Masons teach that if you live a good life and help your fellow man then you will go to Heaven. This is their big gripe as to why a Mason can't be a Christian. FreeMasonry is not a religion. it is religious, but it only requires you to believe in a higher power and does not replace your religion in any way, shape, or form.

There is a little merit to this joke:

Muslims do not recognize any religion except their own.

Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of Christianity.

Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store.

In my family the Masons were a big deal, in my father's generation and before.
When I was a kid I was encouraged to join Demolay. I was in the Explorer Scouts at the time, so I asked what sort of activities they had. They didn't mention hiking, camping, canoeing and such, sounded pretty dull so I passed.
As an adult, as much as I am capable of, I didn'r hear anything that would cause me to spend the time and money to join.

Jim

Yep, there is an issue here: sbrmike wrote:

"the Masons teach that if you live a good life and help your fellow man then you will go to Heaven."

This sounds very familiar to me. My father would have been in agreement with that. If this is correct, it seems to me that this is a "religious" teaching that is in conflict with mainline Christianity.

If you are in a lodge that promotes that teaching, would that make it a religious teaching?

Gotta go...

TF

It says nothing about credibility on this topic. They are not related topics.

I might think my plumber to be wrongheaded on economics were he a devotee of Lord Keynes but, assuming he otherwise persuaded me of his competence as a plumber, that fact wouldn't affect the weight I gave to his recommendations concerning the plumbing in my home.

Yours is termed the logical fallacy argumentum ad hominem.

So, if a drug addicted, syphilitic, lesbian produced a film on motherhood and care for children it would be okay as they are unrelated topics?

Really.

The Masons are rotten to the core.

Because they allow humans into their fellowship.

It's a common failing in all organizations.

There he is,..wondered where Curdog was at...

I'm disappointed that Bristoe hasn't chirped in, I imagine he's got something to say, good or bad about Masons..

Hey Deerwhacker,

Do you have a hankerin' for blood sausage this morning?

Did you watch the first 5 minutes where they claim the Masons are in control of the world banking system?

Doesn't this conflict with your theory that it's the Jews that are in control of the world banking system?

Or all the Masons all Jews?

Or is the discovery institute who made the film just full of wack-a-doodles???

Don't worry, he'll be along soon. I just mentioned Jews.

I guess it all depends on how you look at it or take it. My take is right upfront the Mason's require you to believe in a higher power; they also tell you that nothing in the Masons goes against any religion. Atheists are not a religion in the Masons, mine, or any rational person. They use this reference to heaven so that they are not excluding Jews, Hindus, Buddhists etc, who do not hold Jesus Christ as high as Christians do. Again the Masons tried to make it generic, but being the WASPs that started the current form of the fraternity, their backgrounds are in the blueprints. Try as they may have to be generic, they knew what they knew. We're human.

My big issue is this was nothing new. Pat Robertson doesn't like Masons and this is the only way he could sway his followers to agree with him. Many pastors in earlier times, especially in the south were Masons.

The way I take it is the Masons are just putting a little emphasis on being a better person, with charity towards the less fortunate. I do not see it as a conflict with my Christian religion. I do not consider FreeMasonry as my religion, or as any religion at all. It is more like a supplement.

I was turkey hunting once and came up on a Mason ritual in the woods.

They were nailing a baby to a tree.

true story.

Well, now, who should I believe? A 32nd degree Scottish Right Mason, or a known paranoid screwball who thinks John Wayne was a Satan-worshiper?

I've never said "the Jews" are in control of world banking. That's rather like saying "the Italians" are in control of the numbers racket in Chicago.

Ah, So you think they are one of several mob type organizations in control of the financial systems.

Good times.

Did you join?

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Will Masons consume all the babies in the world?

Does anybody know for sure?

Hmm, I just turned CBS Sunday Morning and there were the FreeMasons�big as life.

Coincidence? Freemasons control the media and are watching this thread.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-the-secret-world-of-the-freemasons/

The entire video should be up soon.

I only watched it because of this thread.