Local Masonic Lodge was throwing a breakfast this morning for a local gent with medical bills.

I've driven by this building for near 25 years and have never been in it, so this morning I went to the Mason breakfast...

After talking with one of them that was being chatty, only thing I could get out of em was, "well, you'll just have to come to a meeting"...

Was like trying to nail down a snake. Can I please get an answer as to what Masons are and what they do.?

Does Masonry conflict with Christianity in any way.?

PM me, I promise not to tell...

They did serve up a fine breakfast for $6.00 though...

Tubal Cain

I'm sure different lodges and different people in different parts of the country have different values but ...

My dad was a Mason and he was a very honorable man and so were the members of his lodge. There were no conflicts with Christianity that I know of and and in fact it was the opposite. He was encouraged to go to church.

Of course I never attended meetings and had only been around the members in social settings (lodge family dinners, entertainment events, dinners at his fellow Greeter's homes, etc.) but all the people I met were fine upstanding folks.

If you didn't meet the standards they set (moral/ethical?) you'd be blackballed and couldn't join.

Don't know much about them but they do make some fine jars. miles

I knew some Masons. Asked and was accepted. Did the first night initiation deal.

The more I spent time there with them and the things going on, the more I realized that in my case, I already had everything membership provided or seemed to provide.

Never returned.

my dad was a mason too, wore that ring purt near all his life IIRC


my dad was not a very honorable man at times


he talked to me a little about it when I got older, 'sposed to look out for one another do biz with fellow masons etc. and the death thing was IIRC a biggie, kinda like havin life insurance that your fellow lodge brothers would look out for your family if something happened to you. That's all I know of the subject.

my mom was a member of Eastern Star, kinda the chic version of Mason's from what I could glean, now mom she's a very honorable person

this was back when they were in their 30's or so, they weren't married and hadn't been for a long time


maybe active Mason members will have a different story to tell, but it doesn't seem as prevalent during my adult years as my parents


I'm not much of a joiner, but I've always been curious about the Shriners, they do some cool stuff, but I figure they must pay you big bucks to wear them lil monkey organ grinder hats!

any of you guys know what's up with that? where'd that tradition come from? Have always wondered since a lil kid, about all I see them do around here is sell vidalia sweet onions, but then I've not been to a Golden days parade in decades.

Despite its purported "secrecy," the number of books on Freemasonry is almost incalculable, beginning with William Morgan's 1827 "Freemasonry Exposed." Morgan, an apostate Mason, was supposedly kidnapped and murdered by his angry former brethren because of the disclosures contained in Morgan's book.

An excellent book on Freemasonry for the neophyte is John J. Robinson's "Born in Blood."

To answer your question regarding conflicts between Masonry and Christianity, there is none.

There's a large number in the area I live. As a matter of fact, my father and brother are both members, as was my grandfather. I don't know a lot about it, just like anyone else that's not in the society. What I do know is that all the guys I know are good and upstanding men in the community. I'm sure there isn't a conflict with going to church or Christianity or most of the people I know that are members wouldn't be. If you're interested, go check out a meeting and see what you can gather. I can say that, at least around here, the Masons are know for making sure all of their members are taken care of during hard times, taking care of others that have trouble taking care of themselves, and donating A LOT of money to causes that need it and fit into what they feel should be promoted. What's funny is I don't recall ever seeing their name on anything they've donated.

Masons aren't required to be of a Christian religious denomination either. An old friend of mine is Jewish and he is a Mason as was his father.

Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.

There's a lodge just a few blocks from my home, and I pass it on my daily walks.

They are mostly good hard working American patriots and Christians, however, the swearing of an oath is required.

Many of our countries finest men were masons - George Washington, Sam Houston, Col William Travis, Monroe, Polk, Buchanan, Andrew Jackson, Eddie Arnold, Gene Autry, Stephen F Austin, Irving Berlin, D. Boone, Jim Bowie, Mark Twain, Admiral Byrd, Sam Colt, Ty Cobb, Davy Crockett, Buffalo Bill, Patrick Henry, John Hancock, John Paul Jones (father of the US navy), Andrew Jackson, Francis Scott Key, Rudyard Kipling, Charles Lindbergh, Arnold Palmer, Roy Rogers , Adm. Peary, Ringling Brothers, Will Rogers, both Roosevelt's, Peter Sellars, Red Skelton, Danny Thomas, Cy Young and John Wayne plus many others.

My dad was a Mason. When he came to understand God`s grace, he left the organization.

It's my understanding that in order to become a Mason you must believe in God, but the religion and denomination through which you believe is no an issue.

My uncle was both a 32nd Degree Mason and a Shriner. He got the full honors at his Shriner funeral. He was also an officer in the CIA when it first became the CIA (In the 1950s, he got my mother - his sister (sixteen years his junior) - a secretarial job in the Pentagon, where his office was located.) Prior to that, he was a big shot in military intelligence during WWII.

My brother is a mason and I kid him about his secret decoder ring all the time.
You'd have a hard time finding a nicer guy than my brother.

Satan believes in God, too.

I knew some kook here would come along and start throwing out BS.

It offends me to no end to hear somebody accuse Masons of worshiping Satan because that implies that my father was a devil worshiper.

If you were standing in front of me right now you wouldn't have any front teeth. You wouldn't be standing either.

I'm dead [bleep] serious.

You mean you'd make your best effort at doing so. That's assuming I believed you. Meanwhile, I'll speak my mind.

Yup, what a [bleep].

I never saw any satan worship I was aware of, and neither has any other of many good and great men, or they wouldn't have been there.

Wonder where people come up with this schit?

For a long time Free Masons were the dominate lodge in America, too dominate for their own good. This lead to jealousy, resentment, and slander. Back in the 1800, a Mason Lodge murdered a couple of guys and the organization experiences a massive decline. That's the two line thumbnail sketch, not intended to start any arguments....

On this topic, trust me I'm speaking the truth. Any man that would dishonor my father in way the way that you have would not be standing before me.

You're a sick paranoid little man that deserves no respect from anyone.

You're back on cerebral ignore you POS.

As I understand it there was a connection between the Masons and the Crusades and the Crusades was all about bringing Christ back to the middle east after the Turks and Moslems took it over. They were destroyed by the corrupt governments of France and possibly England because they were getting stronger and more powerful than the Kings.

I assume there is a lodge around where I am at but I'm not a joiner either so I have not inquired. But, if it's all about destroying kings and protecting Christ's name, I think that would be a positive. I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution and America so if their oath was not contradictory to that, where's the down side? kwg

[/quote]Well, since they worship Satan, I'd say so, yes.[/quote]

The assertion that Freemasons "worship Satan" is a laughable absurdity and the product of ignorance.

No, I am not a Freemason and never have been.

It's not common knowledge, but........





























Freemasons control 98% of the world's fluoride supply.

The Satanic aspect is only gradually revealed as one progresses to higher levels, having already taken many oaths of perpetual loyalty and secrecy. It's a carefully guarded secret disguised in symbolism, but becomes more overtly revealed at the higher levels. It is for this reason it was condemned by the Catholic Church since its origin.

The Grand Architect of the Universe does not refer to the God of the Bible, but rather to Satan who warred against God and was cast down. Low and medium level Freemasons are misled to believe that the Grand Architect of the Universe refers to God so they feel comfortable becoming gradually more committed to the organization without it conflicting with their Christian sensibilities.

But did the Masons start the Illuminati, or did the Illuminati start the Masons??

I've made not reference one to your father, you nutcase.

A young girl in the neighbor where I grew up was involved in a horrible accident that required many months of recovery in a hospital. After she was admitted to the county hospital my dad made arrangements for her to be transferred to the Shiner's Children's Hospital were she underwent many surgeries.

I don't believe the family had insurance or was able to cover any of the costs but it didn't matter. That's what the evil Satan worshiping Masonic Shriners do. Care for those that are unable to provide care for themselves.

Based on the Real Browneye's remarks I'm surprised they didn't sacrifice her in some satanic ritual.

They'd likely have a hard time getting members that way, don't you think?

Here you go, you will be wanting some of this.

The Roman Catholic Church condemned Galileo as a heretic until 1992.

I'll take their beliefs with a grain of salt...

Exactly. Shouldn't I get some props (referring here to the American idiom) for not giving a schit what folks think of my opinions, though? I mean, I could have told you the reaction I'd receive for merely speaking my mind on this subject in anything but flattering terms. Speaking against the Masons, one is suddenly made to feel like one of the last surviving humans in the sci-fi classic The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Google masons and christianity. Here is a quick snippit.

http://sw.christiantrainingonline.org/category/masonic-lodge/

Realizing I'm opening myself up to ridicule, yes, I too believe the the ROOTS of freemasonry are founded in the occult, i.e. satanism, witchcraft, et al.

I also believe there are multitudes who have been in membership and ignorant of the true roots and foundations, and believe it to be just a nice, benevolent, fraternal organization. I further believe those who are way up in the heirachy are well aware of the true nature, else they don't rise up to become the "Grand Poobahs". Keep in mind, the bible clearly says satan can disguise himself as an angel of light.

I have been involved in the study of spiritual warfare for the past 2 1/2-3 years. This is an area the western church has, IMO, been negligent in its teachings, prefering instead to just ignore or attempt to define the reality of this warfare, out of existence. I have been involved in "cleansing" buildings, and casting out of demons, and the reality of demonic influence in our lives.

Freemasonry in a person's past, and even in a person's ancestors past, is oftentimes a BIG "open door" for demonic influence in a person's life, which can influence, in a very profound way, their spiritual walk. This is a fact.
Am I saying all those involved in Masonry are devil worshippers? Absolutely not. As stated, there are some good and decent people who are members of local lodges, in fact I'd say most are decent. That's why they remain viable in most communities, they are made up of mostly respectable members of the community.
Satan and his demons NEVER show up as what and who they are. Almost always they will appear as anything but their true selves. They will mislead, appear attractive, deceive, even appear as logical thoughts in our own minds...anything and everything to hide their true identity. Everything they do is a lie. Thus good and decent upstanding citizens are deceived into joining a nice "respectable" fraternal organization....with foundation roots in the occult.

I can say without hesitation, true Christianity and involvement in Freemasonry is not compatible. If you are a true follower of Christ, my advice would be to avoid any involvement with masonry.

The good news is, God's grace can overcome a multitude of sins, especially those we wander into in ignorance. At the same time, we have a responsibility to be aware of what we are involved with.

Take this^^ FWIW. Regardless, do some research and find your own answers.
Not everything is as it appears.

Yes, that would be the same catholic church that condoned burning women in Ireland as witches...but mainly the ones with property or wealth.

You just insulted Fishhead's dad. I hope you're proud of yourself now.

PS Better make sure the premiums on your dental plan are fully up to date, too. Word has it, you're scheduled to lose some of your front teeth.

If you do not care then why post at all, and why get upset at the reaction you get?


And the rope was for you as you seem intent on necking yourself here.

Just speaking my mind without allowing myself to be silenced in advance by concern over bullying tactics.

Some folks have a hard time saying" I don't have any personal knowledge about that."

It's pretty easy to say what you Believe, but that's a different thing.

As for Masons, I don't know!

Freemasons are Satan worshipers? Next the kook will link procter and gamble to the same activity.

It is not my intent to insult anyone or their dad. As I said, many good and respectable persons have been waylaid by satan's schemes, lies, and deception. Doesn't make that person any more bad than the next, including me(or any less responsible because of ignorance.)

It's just what satan does and has done from the beginning. "he is a liar and the father of all lies."
I'll also repeat, true Christianity and Freemasonry is not compatable. If a person is not a true follower of Christ, then it doesn't really much matter and this whole discussion is irrelevant.

Neither do I, and from the sounds of it most here are in the same boat.

Needless to say, I agree with you. Just poking some fun at Fishhead.

I'm not a "lodge" person but are the Masons and Shriners related?

Now, you I'd have predicted were a high level Freemason. Maybe even a Grand Poobah.

This you, Rancho?

Well I had to chime in. This might be longer than most want to read , but please try to understand, this hit home hard and deep.

First off let me say I am not a Mason or a Shriner, I have hinted, but never been invited. I was one of those 9 month old babies who contracted that dreaded disease polio, long ago in 1942. I was one of the Lucky ones. After the next four years of the Sister Kenny treatment - wrapped in steaming hot packs, massage, and exercise - the only residual paralysis was a right arm that I was unable to use.
I attended a Shriner's clinic yearly from age 8. We drove 40 miles over twisting West Virginia roads, waited in the church where the clinic was held and my mother prayed every year that this would be the year the doctors would say, "We will take him, get him to Philadelphia." Then when I was 12 her prayers were answered.
My parents and I rode the train to Philadelphia. After a long examination the nurse said "Just leave his shoes and we will take care of EVERYTHING." AND THEY DID. For one entire year they did take care of everything. They feed, clothed, haircuted, exercised, Santa Claused, Easter Bunnied, and did their MAGIC. I went in unable to move my right arm, after 3 orthopedic surgeries, I was not only able to raise my right arm, I was able to bend my elbow. I went in the hospital making B's and C's in the 8th grade and came out to make all A's in high school.
The education Shriners gave far exceeded academics, they gave me the will and drive to succeed. I obtained a Ph.D. from Purdue University, taught college till I retired 5 years ago.

Masons, Shriners, their Hospital, the physicians, nurses, teachers gave me the opportunity to live the great life I have.

Even today sixty years later I still thank every Mason and Shriner I see, where ever I see them, I have thanked them at a rest stop in Alabama, to the Dallas airport. To me My angels wear Red Hats.

Until I read some of the comments other 24HCF members have made on this topic, I didn't realize the level of misinformation concerning Masons and/or Shriners. All I ask you who are seeking the truth is to visit one of their hospitals. Those children are there receiving the highest level of care any Health Care institution in the world can provide. That care is being provided at ABSOLUTELY NO COST to the patient or their family. Until you see the tears of the doctors, nurses, physical therapist and yes even that boy, as a 13 year boy raises his arm for the first time, you will never comprehend the wonders the Masons and Shriners do. Everyone of the Masons and Shriners I have thanked have all said, 'We need no thanks", even as tears streamed down my grateful face. Yes, even after all these years I get Choked up and tearful and I will always.

...assuming you have one...

Where the he!! did you come up with the Satan thing??

http://askville.amazon.com/Shriners-related-Masons/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4033215

Too funny. And this was just yesterday..

Most of 'em are womens too, or the guys who post pics of them on threads disguised as "Itty bitty Ackley Improved rifles" threads.

TRH
Yes you can express your opinion. It's just a damn shame it is so misinformed on certain subjects. Do you make statements like you have on this topic just to stir people up or sadly, do you really believe the bullshit that you so mistakenly spew out? Your opinions more often than not are prime examples of "opinions are like [bleep] - everybody has one"

This holds more weight than every other post.

It's my understanding that some of the upper level Masonic teaching have a Gnostic flavor to them. Some hard core Christians, and the Catholics Church which called several inquisitions against Gnostic faiths take great offense to this interpretation of what it means to be responsible for the well being of your community.

Thanks, Fish. I just learned something.

Audie Murphy was a 32nd degree Mason and Shriner; Bill Clinton was NOT accepted (tells you everything about what a slimy individual he is); Obama....well, you know....

It's been condemned by Christians for concealed Satan worship for several centuries. How can you become an adult and not realize that?

Depends on what you mean by 'against Christianity'. They require a member to believe in a supreme being but they don't define much about any religion. For some, since they don't condemn everyone else, that would mean they are against Christianity. You would have to decide for yourself how you define it.

You ARE retarded. I am a Mason,,and past Master of my Lodge. You are sooo far off base, it is hilarious.

Uh oh. We have another member not afraid to speak his mind. I hope your dental plan premiums are up to date.

TRH

You are most undoubtedly an innocent victim of the ravages of consanguinity. For that there is no cure, even at a Shriner's Hospital, sadly.

Damn! Now I have to take you off my Favorite Members list.

Nah, you can stay.

YES !!
Most of the elders in my family were Masons. At least they paid lip service to it. They were the meanest, selfish, self serving, cursing, taking God's name in vain, child abusing, wife beating, racist & vain people I've ever known.

Watch out for Fishhead.

Nah, that's the Doctor, of the Grand order Seuss. That's probably entry level satanic stuff for kids though since it also teaches good life lessons, but through the use of various perverted or imaginary creatures and worlds.

Over the line. Everybody's got a right to their opinion without being threatened with injury. Get it together.

TRH said nothing about your father. You're the one slandering. Again, get it together.

You are uninformed.

I'm happy we have the rare sort here with integrity. Thanks, Mark.

My father proudly wore his solid gold Masonic ring until the day he died. By the time of his death the ring was so worn that the Masonic emblem had lost it's definition and as his health was failing, as his fingers shriveled, he wrapped the ring with adhesive tape to keep it on his hand.

Even though in his later days he didn't attend meetings with the Masons his ring was one of two things he never parted with. The other was his Merchant Marine ID card from WWII.

Are they that way because of, or in spite of their association with Masonry?

Would you take the same stand against a man taking God's name in vain or cursing Salvation through the death of Jesus on the cross who died for our sin?

Until reading this thread, I was unaware of the number of profound ignoramusus on the Campfire. Though I suspected, this thread has confirmed my fears.

It wasn't a threat.

We don't call it The Freakshow for nothing.

Yup!

I could not tell you how many times I heard my sorry, no count, Grandfather tell others that "Masonry takes a good man & makes him better."

He got furious when I told him that it sure enough did not work for him. Too, the Scripture states, "There is none good. No, not one."
To say he was delusional would be an understatement.

+1 It's a damned shame. Some people need to grow up.

You got that right!!

It's the Redneck mentality of the Junior High minded. If you don't agree with me I'm gonna open a can on you.

Having been around Masonry for longer than I want to remember, and knowing more about it than I wanted to know, I would have to agree with this gentlemen. MANY, and I mean at least damn near all that I have known and still know, and I know more than my fair share via family and friends, are as he describes.

As for fish head, if what I said has insulted you or yours in some way, I did not mean to, but I tell it like it was/is in MY life, how it was in your life is YOUR point of view, I will PM you my addresses, and I will be waiting.

Lynn

He'd better get down to his fighting weight if he wants to take you up on that offer.

Let's put things in perspective. This is Browneye's first post in this thread with NO caveats or exceptions ...

"We" don't call it the freakshow. That you think it is yet still stick around availing yourself of Rick's hospitality says something about you. Why don't you do the honorable thing and leave and never come back? Here's a pre "bye now". I'm sure I speak for a thousand posters here when I say you can kma.

"They" refers to "Masonry." Context, man. Context.

Once again, just to put things in perspective here's the first line in my first post in this thread.

Folks tend to speculate and fear what they are ignorant of...

Red Lodge, Blue Lodge, ALL AROUND THE WORLD, Masonry is EXACTLY the same when it comes to their beliefs and rites. Third degree Masons, Shriners via Scottish Rite or York Rite, it all comes from the same beginning, the same legacy, the same teachings, all the same.

But many others can't, or don't want to, discern the difference between truth and lies. Lots, maybe most, of our population are easily led astray. Just look at how many worship Hussein and firmly believe they are doing the right thing. Never sell Satan short.

And did these elders also attend Sunday church service and claim to be Christians?????

You beat me to it....

Lots of Freemasons are Sunday School teachers. My uncle, the 32nd Degree Freemason, was one.

There is no such thing as a 32nd Degree Mason. Scottish Rite,,yes. Masonry only has 3 degrees.

I'll try once again.

Some of the most vile and despicable people I'VE EVER MET were Christians and not just Christians but pastors or ministers.

BUT ... I would never accuse a Christian(s) of being a vile and despicable person(s) without evidence to the contrary. To do so is the absolute definition of prejudice.

Not a Mason here, but the reason the Catholic Church condemned the Masonic Order is because the Masonic Order is a Secret Order and that in it's self is against Catholic Doctrine. As as an answer to Masonry they have set up the Knights of Columbus.

As a teenager I belonged to Demolay which is a Masonic Organization for young men just like Rainbow Girls and Job's Daughters for Teenage girls. My experience with both was a positive experience. I would recommend either to any young adult as it would make them a better person for it.

And Oh by the way Hawkeye many a good men and women were tortured and put to death by the Catholic Inquisition for Heresy.

Fixed it for you. I've seen some of those myself, and been backstabbed by a few, and I AM a Christian.

I heard they hide in closets nekkid and jump out and scare each other.

Well there is some irony for you.

No, that is just the ones with the title of "father", once they get to Dean they get super powers.

Good fix.

Maybe I should just give up and turn to the darkside.

LEOs are militaristic gestapo enforcers.

Teachers warp the minds of children with leftist ideology.

Masons are devil worshipers.

Fluoride will kill you.

Everybody should have a vac packed shower gun.

And you have never been deceived by a non Christian?

Stop being so damn defensive, the man is attempting to point out that there are good and bad in every lot.

Oh yes, boasted of it loud & often.

People will screw up everything they get involved in, including Christianity. Just look around here at the 24HCF.

Thank you.

That's exactly it. People are people no matter who "they" are, what they do, or what they believe in.

So let's not let a few bad apples ruin the whole barrel...

I try to be a christian myself but I often find that I am not very good at it...but I still keep trying...

Exactly. Every time someone says something about women Miss Lynn is right there to say 'Not all', which we in fact all know that already.

I don't dislike Tom because he's a 'Christian' or Kamo because he's Asian, I dislike them because they are [bleep]. Don't mean all Christians and Asians are [bleep].

Freemasonry is a "works" based religion(yes, it is a religion), as opposed to the "grace" system of the Bible. Like all false religions it requires good "works" in order to reach ones final reward. Unlike other false systems in which the member doesn't know if he's done enough good to tip the scales in his favor at the end, freemasonry provides a cool way to keep track: the "degree" system. The higher one gets, the better the chances.

Since this, like all false systems, diverts people from the truth of God's word, Satan is quite pleased. That's his reason for being. The Bible says Satan can come "as an angel of light" and he does. Masons do much good, as Fish Head has alluded, but it gets no one to God.

I understand. However, the wife, child & verbal abuse does not deserve the same forgiveness as "not very good at it".

People are human. Organizations are full of them.


The organization doesn't make these people what they are. I doubt Masons teach racism or wife beating and I guess they wait a long time before introducing Satanism. ( note* - sarcasm)

I believe most people know they are flawed and want these organizations to help guide them to be better people by helping others. If BLRnuts example doesn't convince you nothing will.

There are bad priests
There are bad cops
There are bad teachers
There are bad 'fire members

Most aren't nor want to be but all were just people long before they signed up.

Correct, but it does not hold true according to what state in the union you live in, as fish head suggested in a post to me on this thread. Good and bad in all, everywhere. I just happened to be close to that world, and got to see more bad than good, and it left it's mark for me.

I have had absolutely zero exposure to any of this, which is why I am following this thread.

Not saying to forgive anybody for anything. Just pointing out that not all Freemason's are wife, child & verbal abusers...

The Satanic aspect is only gradually revealed as one progresses to higher levels, having already taken many oaths of perpetual loyalty and secrecy. It's a carefully guarded secret disguised in symbolism, but becomes more overtly revealed at the higher levels. It is for this reason it was condemned by the Catholic Church since its origin.


The Grand Architect of the Universe does not refer to the God of the Bible, but rather to Satan who warred against God and was cast down. Low and medium level Freemasons are misled to believe that the Grand Architect of the Universe refers to God so they feel comfortable becoming gradually more committed to the organization without it conflicting with their Christian sensibilities.

In reply to TRH re this^^^


According to the writings of many Baptist and other missionaries to countries in South America in the early 1900's, they were in some degree of danger for their lives from the predominant Catholic Church power in the region which wasn't happy to have anyone challenge their position there either.

Summed up. Whether or not the charges leveled at the uppermost Masonry are justified or slanderous, need not even enter into the conversation when the point is made this way. Most Masons are Church members (just a totally subjective observation), so why can't they just do Church work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO_tXzeiZAQ

Ha JStuart. You are going to have zero exposure after this thread also, if you mean learning something about the original subject.

I don't care who people are or what they claim to be.
I do distrust those who try to trade on beliefs or so called standing in a attempt to promote business or personal relationships,
For instance, someone gives me a business card that states his is a "christian business" will never get a call.
Not likely I would do business with the same guy if his card read "mason"

Wow...Masons are devil worshipers? Some of you folk are past funny and just plain fuggin' stupid.


I'll take Masons over the brand of Christianity typically on display here.

Well, what you say doesn't align at all with what I've heard all my life about my uncle from his and my close relatives, i.e., that he was a Shriner, and had attained the 32nd Degree in Freemasonry, which, I was told, is a requirement for becoming a Shriner. I've seen the pictures of him with the full Shriner accoutrements, hat, and whatnot, since I was a kid. He had a full-honors Shriner's funeral.

And I expect most, if not all modern organized religion will fall into Satans power through their love of the almighty dollar if it hasn't already, as did the spiritual leaders of Jesus' day.

Organized religion will be one of the heads of the four headed beast.

Could it be they haven't yet told you about the degrees above three?

True, but it is interesting to see how people are using the language to ignore and obfuscate when it is required.

Wow...Masons are devil worshipers? Some of you folk are past funny and just plain fuggin' stupid.


I'll take Masons over the brand of Christianity typically on display here.

I happened to see the exact opposite and there wasn't any bad ... at all.

My dad was more involved with his Greeter's Group than in the in the lodge itself. The group of inductees, wives and family included, were really nice people. Their thing was more social in nature versus abiding by and being "all in" with the Lodge. That's not to say they weren't involved with the Lodge though.

It was a group of like minded people that were veterans, business owners, professionals, and working class people that were just ordinary every day good folks. There were no wife beaters, drunks, or anything of the kind among them. It wouldn't have been tolerated ... ever.

When we moved my dad attended a few meetings at the Lodge in our new city but he didn't find the same things he valued so much in his prior Lodge. I don't recall what it was exactly and he lost interest but he stayed in touch with the Greeters until he died. A few even attended his funeral.

I sure am glad you are here.

Yeah, like the Pope.

I'm not a Mason, but have done research on the subject. In this day and age I am continually surprised by what sheeple don't know. If one cares to do some research, they will find that not only are there 32nd Degree Masons, but also 33rd Degree Masons.

Tim

You must be a Mason to ever become part of the Shriners,,Scottish Rite,,,etc. The 3rd degree of Masonry is the Master Mason Degree, which is the highest degree which one can obtain in Free Masonry in the Blue Lodge. To tell you more would involve more than knocking your teeth out.

We can twist words all day... There are also entirely different by-laws for each organization. I could also call you ignorant,,,but that's already obvious.

So am I, I like the entertainment.

I already know more than you on the subject, since I know that there are more than three degrees in Freemasonry, my uncle having been a 32nd Degree Freemason and a Shriner.

PS I guess you're free to try knocking me out.

When was Kamo an A-hole? And I think it is safe to say some here would talk about black pots and kettles, Steel.

Accoutrements and Whatnots? But, did he ever have one of them cool, tricked-out clown cars for the parade?.......

Being a tiny bit knowledgeable of Freemasonry I am very entertained by what the certain few know-it-alls have to say about the Fraternity.

I do know the Catholic Church has condemned Freemasonry. That in itself may indicate Freemasons aren't too bad.

I'll just keep traveling and seeking.. Who knows, I may find some Lodge Masters diddling DeMolays.... but I doubt it

Geo

Which one MK1 (retired) or MK2...makes one wonder what MK1 was dipping his wick into, doesn't it.

Aholes of a feather

Did we not obtain the 32nd degree?

I don't know much about the nuts and bolts of Masonry, but I have grave reservations about any secret organization who's members are so prevalent in Public Office..

Since he hasn't invited me to dine on his lovely wife's cooking.

Come on Pete, you have Indians there too don't you?

Well, KOTY voting is near and even though his number should be retired, The Real Kookeye does like to make sure we don't forget his contributions like this.

But at least you can spot those buggers!

You've got the Freemasonry thing bad over there in England, I hear. It would appear to go to the core of public corruption in your country.

Another Mason checking in, I see.

They can even be amusing when they attempt to talk with Australian idiom in a fake Australian accent...and some of them actually believe it is working for them.

Like I said,,we can twist words all day, and you will still never understand. You don't know anything other than what you've been told. Typical from you.

Oh I see, "mason" is today's version of "democrat" in the expletive game.

It certainly seems that way, although the extent and nature of the corruption is very difficult ascertain given the tenets of Masonry..

My Pitbull was a Mason!! He even bit a cop once!!

Well, he's right that I HAVE done a little brick laying but as to being a member of the social organization, fraid' not. But, reality and the The Real Kookeye are rarely in the same time and space.

No, but how else explain the hostility towards criticism of the organization? If I said something bad about the New Shoreham, Rhode Island Bowling Team, I bet you wouldn't hear a peep about it here.

He's like the Usain Bolt of dumbassery.....nobody is even in his league. He's an eleven on a scale of ten, taking absurd to places never before imagined. So stupid it occasionally becomes offensive.

Just don't try to knock out his teeth.

Bad ticker, can't get more than a hundred yards of the road for a hunt, but, he's got some cocopuff nunchucks and heard of Jew Jitsu.

Hiyahhh!!!

Yes, indeed. Such a fine organization.

Hostility towards criticism arises towards those who are ignorant.

It is not your message, it is how you approach it.

But don't you need a dog in the fight first? Like I said, I could give the New Shoreham, Rhode Island Bowling Team hell, and I doubt anyone here would object. Likely no members at the Fire.

Oh, I see. I should beat around he bush more?

I will not be part of any organization ...that would have me.
Especially organized religion.
Cisco

As is typical, this thread has degenerated into nothing more than a juvenile exercise of name calling and character assault.

Fact is, the content of the character, or lack of character, of those in Freemasonry, Christianity, or participants here on the 'Fire is irrelevant to the OP's question, which IS relevant:

"Does Masonry conflict in any way with Christianity?"

I believe ANY question, the answer of which could carry eternal consequences, is of the uptmost importance.

In my opinion the answer is a resounding YES, Masonry does indeed conflict with Christianity, and is rooted in the occult. But don't take my word for it. If you have strong feelings do yourself a favor and do some research to satisfy any questions you may have.

And unless you're buying a grill or used pickup, I'd suggest the 'Fire' to be a poor venue to conduct your research.

Bovine Growth Hormones were INVENTED by Freemasons.

Just enough to get me in the door and find my way around the Lodge..

You just don't get it, do you.

Women have the PEO. What's that all about? My guess is friends hanging put with friends. Is that all bad? I have never heard of women committing crimes on behalf of the PEO. I'm guessing the same thing for the Masons. Beats the bloods and the crips. kwg

Educate me.

All I want to know is at what "Degree" do I get to ride around in one of those little cars.

.....something to aspire to.

GTC

No, I know my limitations.

Damn them Masons!

It's always good to know those.

First you'll need to sell your eternal soul and then the little car is a free gift.

How cool is that?

You don't think that Shriners get nothing out of the deal do you?

Did the breakfast include blood sausage?

If it did ... Welcome to the club!

Bwaaa haaaa haaaa

A word of caution for everyone ...

If your watching a parade with Shriners in it and you see a negro in a funny little pickup truck ...

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE !!!

I'm going to start educating the Campfire about you Chris. Your name is Chris isn't it?

With all the masons on here, can any of you tell me how to fix some of the cracks in my brick sidewalk? What degree do you have to be to be a hod carrier?

And last but not least, and I borrow this line from another page but, TRH does your [bleep] ever get jealous of the chit that comes out of your mouth?

They did have Breakfast sausage with the pancakes,...probably made from ground up Orphans...



I don't imagine I'd ever become a Mason, but I'll probably go back next month for breakfast...

PLEASE DO, Bart!! Hopefully it will include something your Uncle told you also!!

You'll go back.

You've got the hunger.

Accept the invite and go to a meeting....We would love to have some first hand knowledge about this cult. Be sure and let someone know your going so they can contact the authorities if you don't come back.

I'm convinced that when TRH goes for a walk in his 'hood, he has a bed sheet for a cape and wears a collander on his head.

Wow.
Go do a few things on a Saturday and miss this.
Another, you can't make this [bleep] up thread.
Speechless.

Don't get on the bad side of Efan and his thousand friends..

While there are honorable men that are Masons (my FIL was one and there are several here) the worst screwings I've had were by Masons or people protected by them. I really have to laugh when I see members here that are Masons bash unions because they protect lazy, worthless, dirt bags. Some of the worst dirt bags I've known were protected by Masons, not unions. The union couldn't protect us from those protected by the Masons. I'm sure it's supposed to be an honorable institution but after what I have seen Masons stick together no matter how wrong it is. Far worse than anything I saw out of a union.

I think we've discovered the reason why Hawkeye believes the Boston Marathon bombing may have been a CIA false flag operation.





Hawkeye is uniquely placed to have found out the truth: the CIA has been infiltrated by Satan-worshipers. Right from the very beginning.

I can only imagine what those fiends did to his mother. And why did the Satan-worshipers want to place her in the Pentagon?

Thank you, Hawkeye, for sharing this intimate, yet disturbing portrait of your family.

Isn't City of London a masonic enclave unto itself, with the global "big temple"??

I already know the real browneye is a pathological liar but still think its funny how he will say he's broken "many oaths for perpetual loyalty and secrecy" and still hope that someone would believe anything else he says about ANYTHING......

I joined Demolay back in high-school. I had to memorize an oath that included pledging an unswerving loyalty to the group. I don't much appreciate either oaths to clubs or pledging unswerving loyalty to anything but the unchanging God, so when my turn came, the loyalty I pledged was an unserving one and never went back.

Mason's are no doubt nice people, and I highly doubt being one will send anyone to Hell on that account. I just don't like to get all wrapped up in stuff like that.

I have no idea but it would not surprise me.

The City of London is actually very small (about 1 square mile) and is a classed as a distinct city within Greater London, but it is still one of the most important financial centers in the world..

http://www.audiemurphy.com/freemasonry.htm

FYI to all, interesting info:

In 1955, Audie Murphy became interested in Freemasonry. Encouraged by his close friend, Texas theater owner Skipper Cherry, Audie petitioned and joined the Masonic Order in California. Later he returned to Texas to conduct his 32 degree work where he joined the Shriners. Audie remained active in various masonic events and was a member of good standing at the time of his death.

Audie received his first degree in Masonry when he was regularly initiated, February 14, 1955 through the North Hollywood (California) Lodge No. 542 F & AM (Ancient Free and Accepted Masons). He was passed to the 2d degree of Fellowcraft on April 4, 1955. On June 27, 1955, he was raised to the 3d degree of a Master Mason.

Later, he became a dual member with Heritage Lodge No. 764 F & AM (North Hollywood, California) on May 14, 1956.

Audie took his 32d degree work (degrees 4 through 32) at the Scottish Rite Temple in Dallas on November 11-14, 1957 according to records located at this temple. After receiving his 32d degree, Audie was elected vice president of the Thomas B. Hunter Memorial Class of the Dallas Scottish Rite.

Audie became a Shriner (Hella Temple, Dallas) on November 15, 1957.

Audie was made a "Master of the Royal Secret" in the Valley of Dallas, Orient of Texas, on November 14, 1965.

Audie was also decorated a Knight Commander of the Court of Honor (KCCH) on December 11, 1965.

Audie affiliated with the Long Beach (Scottish Rite) Consistory on April 2, 1971. Two weeks previously, on March 19, 1971, Shriner Murphy affiliated with the Al Malaikah Temple in Los Angeles.

Audie often participated in Shrine parades in both Texas and on the West Coast. He was especially involved with the annual Mariner's Night, which included a dinner held in the memory of the dead and to honor the living seafaring men. The annual Mariner's Night is sponsored by San Pedro's Los Angeles Harbor Lodge No. 332, Long Beach California. As an honored guest, Audie made one of his last public speeches for the Mariner's Night Dinner on April 15, 1971.

http://www.audiemurphy.com/img/freemasonry/cap33d_big.jpg

Shortly after Audie Murphy's death, the Long Beach California Scottish Rite Bodies of the Masonic Order honored Brother Audie Murphy by naming the 111th Scottish Rites Graduating Class the "Audie Murphy Memorial Class." The class, which graduated on Saturday, November 19, 1971, had 124 members from forth-five California cities and towns. One of the highlights of "graduation day" for the members of the Memorial Class was a special showing of the film TO HELL AND BACK. The film took the place of the 31st degree and was shown to give the candidates a much better understanding of the character and background of the distinguished Mason and late member of the Long Beach Bodies.

In 2000, during the November Ladies Night Dinner of the Valley of Long Beach, Audie Murphy was recognized when local Scottish Rite members presented to his widow, Mrs. Pamela Murphy, a 33 degree cap in honor of the posthumous election of her husband to that degree at an earlier Biennial Session of the Supreme Coucil of the Scottish Rite.

Harold B. Simpson quoted the Encyclopedia Britanica, in his book AUDIE MURPHY, AMERICAN SOLDIER, as he described Freemasonry as a...

"... fraternity to which men called Freemasons belong . . . . It is secret insofar as it has rituals and other matters which those admitted take an oath never to divulge. Its meeting places, however, are prominently identified and its governing bodies publish annual proceedings, while its membership is a matter of public knowledge . . . . It admits adherents of all faiths, claiming to be based upon those fundamentals of religion held in common by all men and to inculcate, through allegories and symbols connected with the art of building, a lofty morality laying particular stress upon benevolence."

Though often mistaken for such, Freemasonry is not a Christian institution. Freemasonry contains many of the elements of a religion; its teachings enjoin morality, charity, and obedience to the law of the land. With this in mind, Freemasonry is religious in character but in itself is not a religion.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You're not making a compelling argument for your case. That's a mere conclusion.

I've known more than a few men in the special operations community who were Masons. To a man they were extremely patriotic and believed very much in the oath to protect the country from enemies foreign and domestic. They were natural born fighters from the warrior class and would not hesitate to go far above and beyond what was expected to accomplish the mission.

They were men to look up to, not only for their skill sets, but for the manner in which they conducted themselves. If there was a local lodge, I would likely check it out.

As for TRH, you have to remember that he is the same guy who openly stated he would shoot/murder any elderly Alzheimer's patient that wandered away from their nursing home and mistakenly came into TRH's home.

It is clear he just wants to "make his bones" by shooting someone, anyone so he can get some street and internet creds. I pay his paranoid delusions little mind. Though he would make good study into mental health issues. He is a classic SWAT callout waiting to happen.

I've seen the character of the men from the elite of the military
/ government / contractors, etc, who are Traveling men and hold them in high regard.

Mackay Sagebrush.

Very well stated.

That wasn't an attempt at a compelling argument. That was a statement of fact.

Wow! You and I have disagreed, and even harshly debated, in the past, but I've always held a higher opinion of you than is exemplified by this sort of tactic. I believe you're a better man than that.

As true as anything I've seen written.

It was a conclusion unsupported by evidence or argument.

Say that into a mirror..

Never worshiped Satan... and I'd remember a thing like that, lol.

Be hard to do so since I don't believe in Satan to begin with.

Hmm,

2nd gunman on the grassy knoll, anyone?

It was a conclusion supported by your own statement.

You said Freemasons worship Satan.

You are wrong.

You either make that statement out of ignorance, or you are a liar.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

I make the statement from factual evidence, to include a historical condemnation of it by organized Christianity.

Who is The Great Architect of the Universe???

PS I'm open to the possibility that you might be ignorant of the foundations of an organization of which you are a member.

Where the phuc is Dan Brown when we need him?

Sure is irony in this post.

I am a member. I have been a member for a dozen years. During that time I have never seen, heard or experienced any indication that there was worship of any kind taking place. It is a fraternity. Nothing more, nothing less.

As a result, I am neither concerned with, nor intrigued by, your "factual evidence".

Other objects of "historical condemnations" by organized Christianity include the tomato and the crossbow.

Who is The Great Architect of the Universe? Has his true name been revealed to you yet, or do you need to rise more levels first?

HERE is a link on a controversial report on Masons and the Southern Baptist Convention.

Mike

Freemasons are DEEPLY involved with "International Banking"

.....and ABHOR backyard Laying Hen ops.

GTC

I learned his name long before I was made a Mason. There is one Creator. One God. One Great Architect of the Universe. He is the Alpha and Omega.

Groucho Marx said something along the lines of "I don't care to belong to any club....that will have me as a member."

Funny stuff...!

Some of the most honorable men I've ever known were Masons. Many also seemed to be devoutly religious other less so. I'm guessing if there was a conflict between their beliefs and Masonic service they wouldn't be there.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to suppress the urge to laugh at or bitch-slap those so-called Christian conspiracy theorists that consider Freemasonry demonic..........Of course most of them spew the same garbage about Mormons too.

It is parts of the bible that it is build up on. I am a member of the blue lodge for around 50 years. If you want to become a member jest ask a member. They should take it from there. YES we do good things we have some spline hospital burn and other like kids that need help with other things! WE do NOT have any thing to do with Satan it is all about GOD and his life.

That's not who they're talking about. They're referring to the sun god of the Assyrians, a "god" the Bible refers to as a devil. Keep rising, and they'll let you in on that secret.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan�
It isn�t so much that some are so ignorant. It�s just that they know so many things that aren�t so�

I had to wade though a lot of really stupid stuff to get to what the Masons really believe and in their own words:
www.masonicinfo.com/gaotu.htm‎
GAOTU
Those who oppose Freemasonry will claim that Masons worship a 'false God' whom they claim is GAOTU - the "Grand Architect of the Universe" (in some jurisdictions referred to as the "Great Architect of the Universe").
Nothing could be further from the truth!

Let us be quite clear: Freemasonry does NOT have a "god" of any kind. Freemasons however do profess a belief in a Supreme Being.

Perhaps we should repeat:
The organization - FREEMASONRY - has no "god", no religion, no theology, no dogma, no creed....
Freemasonry's members - FREEMASONS - upon petitioning for membership are required to profess a belief in a Supreme Being. They are not required or requested to elaborate any further on their beliefs except to make a positive affirmation that they have such a belief.

The term "Great Architect of the Universe" (or "Grand Architect of the Universe") is used to permit a more generic worship to the Supreme Being of all present. All Masons understand this concept and when prayers are offered in their lodge, they understand that regardless of the person speaking the words or the manner of prayer of others present, the prayer is addressed to their Supreme Being.

To argue that Masons have a 'god' with the name GAOTU would be similar to arguing that a church where a prayer is addressed to "Most Holy and Glorious Lord God" had a false God with the name MHAGLG or when a prayer is offered in the name of 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ' that those worshipping there were praying to OLSJC.... It's bizarre in the extreme.

The question is often raised: to whom do Masons pray?
The answer is, quite simply, "To God".
Argumentatively, some will then respond, "Which God?" at which point we must wonder how many Gods THEY believe there are. From the perspective of Masons, there is one Supreme Being and that is to whom we pray.


It really is SO simple....

The term first appeared in Masonic usage in 1723 in a book called Anderson's Constitutions which was, ostensibly, a listing of the rules by which the Grand Lodge of England were governed. It seems that the phrase was probably taken from John Calvin whose teachings formed the basis for Presbyterian and Reformed theology as Anderson was a Presbyterian Minister.

Figures you'd be one, Bowsie.

Thank you Ben for being brave enough to make your first comment on this thread. We appreciate input from folks who have real world experience. Welcome to the Fire. kwg

From Wikipedia..."Shriners Hospitals for Children is a network of 22 non-profit hospitals across North America. Children with orthopedic conditions, burns, spinal cord injuries, and cleft lip and palate are eligible for care and receive all services in a family-centered environment, regardless of the patients� ability to pay."

They sure do a lot of good work to be so bad...!

Why do you need to participate in the occult to do good works? Can't you find Christian organizations that do good works?

How far did you have to go before they let you in on that? I am only a 32 degree.

Kinda like the Boy Scouts??

Translation: TRH has never been a Mason but because he read a book or two about it he knows more than those poor ignorant souls who have spent their adult lives at all the different levels of Freemasonry.

Did your uncle who was both a 32nd Degree Mason and a Shriner ever admit to his Devil worship?

Poor man died when I was eight.

If it really did hurt to be stupid, I'd be able to hear you screaming all the way up here, my own deafness, notwithstanding.

I'm guessing he couldn't face the shame.

TRH, does your being a Catholic and a Free Mason have any conflicts?

TRH isn't a Mason...they wouldn't accept him..

One of "Freemasonry's" most secret of rites is peeing in Holy Water,.....

and farting obnoxiously as the incense mitre goes by.

GTC

That's friggin Funny! I don't care who you are!

I'm not a Mason, but I have several good friends who are. They are all good, honorable, Christian, God Fearing Men. My Great Uncle, a member of the Greatest Generation, and a Pearl Harbour Survivor, always wore his Masonic Ring with Great Pride, & was what I would call the Definition of a Good Christian Man.

On a another note, I once taught a CHL Class in a local Masonic Lodge. Seems to me I recall a Bible, proudly displayed on the Poobaw's Pulpit, or whatever they call it.
I sure wouldn't think that a bunch of "Devil Worrishipers" would allow a Holy Bible in their inner Santuary. Just Sayin.

You couldn't know that unless you'd risen that high yourself, you Satan-worshiping twit. You've exposed yourself. (The Shriners are going to come for you, now.)

I don't get the appeal of "lodges" or social clubs.

Took me only 20 pages before I realized that TRH must think he's running behind in the KOTY contest.

He was the favorite until this. Now he's got a lock.

Wasn't it the Free Masons that were behind the creation of the Federal Reserve??

So, what he's say'n about Freemasonry may not be so?

And the founding of the country.



One nation, under Universal Grand Architect blah blah blah...

I heard they would cut yer nuts oft and feed them to the goat you rode in on if you divulged secrets like TRH is doing...

I don't get it either, the voices in my own head have always been all the company I ever needed.

I don't know much about Freemasonry, but I'll give em' this, while basically delicious,....that "Ritually Sacrificed Orphans Sausage" of theirs could do with a bit more Garlic, and a pinch of Gumbo File'.

........

GTC

Calvin, you don't have anything against sitting around and shooting the bull with friends, do you?
Same thing..

If you read the link I posted it talks about pledges/oaths to slice the neck from ear to ear for divulging secrets

Hence,...."The Shower Gun",

.......and other somewhat peculiar "Security Measures".

Rumor does have it that the secret rite involving deranged Negroes, and fast tire screeching pickups was scrubbed, after too many trucks were made off with, and sold / traded for illicit substances,large sugary drinks, and fast food.

GTC

I enjoy shooting the bull with guys I hunt/fish with. That's about it though.

That would pretty much cover my experience with em' too.
.......There ARE exeptions,.......that old "Human Condition" being what it is.

GTC

Back in the day before the government stole everyone's money and redistributed it to buy votes, Free men would come together of their own consent, and through personal and collective acts of willful charity address their perceived needs of their community without the interference of government. In the process, they would drink a lot of beer and scotch, trade stories, and get away from their wife's for awhile.

Some guys just don't feel they need the official club.

Several years ago I worked for a man who was a Mason and he asked me if it was something I would be interested in but I didnt know much about it and told him no.

Interesting.

I think that's where I got off on the wrong track.

I ate the sausage.

Hawkeye is correct fishhead, your father was probably unaware of the satanic aspects of the free masons,and illuminati. It is not revealed till you are in deep with them. I have read many articles on this subject. And you wouldn't be punching me in the mouth just because your Dad didn't know the facts about the Masons.

To nobody in particular but just in general: there is a great difficulty in discerning spiritual reality. The difficulty is that the reason many cannot discern it is because they are deluded by it.

Remember the phrase, "Catch-22"?

It rubs the sausage lotion on it's skin and lips.

I'm late to this party but:

My father was a Mason, grandmaster etc and shriner, the whole bit. He and his friends were all fine and upstanding men in the community. My father was proud that he brought in the first Jewish man into their lodge. I also know a few fine men who are Christians and Masons as well. I cannot find one accusation to make against a Mason that I have known, as far as behavior, honesty and being fine and upstanding.

He pushed, as much as he was allowed, to get me to join the Demolay when I was young. I did not join.

Having said that, Freemasonry became my father's religion. It became the foundation of what he came to believe about God. And yes, there were odd references and beliefs about Lucifer.

Anyway, I disagreed with my father about how he would characterize "God" and it became a subject we no longer talked about.

TF

One would need to be a proctologist to punch you in the mouth.

Can you expound on this since you have first hand knowledge.?

What level did you get to before they told you?

Sorry! Hadn't got this far yet.

Deerwhacker,

I like the new avatar.

"Bunnies" bathed in "sausage" grease are delicious.

Just be sure to rub the lotion before you join.

Well, I can add a bit or "expound" on what I saw in my father and the conversations I had with him. But, that would only be what he believed and how he reacted and could not be construed as what is Masonic dogma or what other Masons may believe. I am not a mason so this is not a comment on the masonic order in general.

The crux of the issue was that he would state that there were only two requirements for "salvation." One would be a belief in a supreme being. The other was to be a good solid citizen and do "right" and therefore be found in good stead at the judgment. As I noted, the masons I have known were all fine and upright men in the community.

So, he would refer to the "Supreme Being" as God and came to profess a belief that if one had this belief and was a good solid citizen, one would be accepted "into oneness with God." When asked about how he could state this or justify these beliefs, he would ask me if I was "interested" in learning more about becoming a Mason.

That's about all I care to share.

TF

Read anything and everything you can on ALBERT PIKE. He is one of the cornerstones of the Freemasons/illuminatti. You will without a doubt know that it(freemasons) are anti-christian. Pro satan

There are many things in one's life that can replace one's religion. One of those things, among others, that I have seen is Freemasonry.

I have known men whose loyalty to their Masonic Lodge came before their loyalty to their church. People put many things ahead of their church.

I am one that believes that there is only one way to Heaven and that is through accepting Jesus Christ as my personal savior.

I guess it's about priorities as I am a Freemason as well.

Geo

I guess when you are ignorant on a particular subject......insults will have to do. Put your chicken down and read about Albert Pike.

I've seen a lot of people put their religion or church before their God/Jesus.

Insults? You are the one callin' folk devil worshipers.

I simply pointed out your head is firmly implanted in your azz.
I suggest you look for daylight and make haste.

Take Albert with ya.

"The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.... Consequently, neither the excommunication nor the other penalties envisaged have been abrogated." -Cardinal Ratzinger, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 26, 1983

"In the past We have counseled through prophets, your Popes, to forbid all who have joined in My Son's Church, forbid them to become part of freemasonry and the Masons. And why? Because, My children, they are not of God, and if they are not of God, they are the Antichrist. And why are they the Antichrist? Because they worship false idols!
"In the commandments of Your God you will remember: 'I,' said the Lord, 'I am your God; thou shalt not have strange gods before you.' And who are these strange gods of masonry and witchcraft? Isis!

"My children, man has accepted gods of nature! Pagans you have become! You reject your God the Father; you reject the Trinity; and you have dabbled and burned your fingers in the unknown, the darkness of satanism." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 1, 1977

ALbert PIKE . notice that the stuff in quotes is Albert Pike's own words. Here is one of many such articles.
link.....

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pike.htm

I guess you can read. Please read the link that I posted , then you can apologize.

Quote from Albert Pike---leader of the freemasons for 32 years.

After World War Three is ended, those who aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. We quote his own written words taken from the letter catalogued in the British Museum Library, London, England.

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but with out knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time"

TF49 said his father made mention of lucifer. NOT a coincidence.

Read the text around his famous quote. You will discover this slander is just an out of context quote mine.

Now we've got a party!

This had been a great read so far. Much better than anything on TV.

BD- you ain't heading for daylight.

Great link, by the way.

+1

Except for the part where the letter was never catalogued in the British museum.

What I get from this thread so far is that the Masons are anti established religion, and the catholic church is anti anything that threatens their power, to the point of casting judgements designed to set all the easily swayed at the mason's throats.

I for one do not get the urge to don armour and ride off screaming "God wills it" because some paedophile mick says I should.

Just curious ...

Are all of your front teeth still intact?

And ...

Please PM me your address. I'd like to get to know you.





ROAD TRIP !!!

I hadn't realized till now the power of Freemasonry here at the Fire. One dare not speak anything but flattery in its regard.

Do you feel eyes watching you, do strange cars follow you, was your soap moved from it's usual spot...careful now, THEY are out to get you!

Ok, one more comment and then I have to sign off. Still on the road and gotta make miles tomorrow. Y'all can go get some more popcorn.

So, in regard to my father only: He would say that one could become a Mason as long as he believed in a supreme being. Atheists were not allowed. But, one could be a Christian, Jew or Muslim.

It was my understanding from him that as one passed upward through the degrees and through the teachings that one would eventually find that Lucifer was the "one who enlightened." I am not sure that he would characterize Lucifer as the "supreme being" but Lucifer was one of the honchos. It seemed to be expected that one's belief in Judaism, islam or Christianity would become less relevant as one become "enlightened." In other words, if one only progressed so far he would not have all the "enlightenment" that the more senior and advanced masons would have. A great part of this progression was also to learn how to become a "better man."

Now, he would also indicate that a simple "mason" or one who only advanced through the "Blue Lodge"...? would not be privy to all the "enlightenment." One gained increasing amounts of "enlightenment" as one advanced through and upward in the program. My father was proud that he had progressed "all the way", whatever that is. I do not know. He indicated that most Masons stopped well before finding the crucial answers and he would always encourage me to join up and focus on a quest to become a better man and a more enlightened man.

I do not know if there was only a voluntary end to one's "quest" or if the head honchos of the program only allowed a certain few to gain the highest level of enlightenment. He was reluctant to say much more and seemed like maybe he had already told me too much. I don't know.

After he was Grand Master, he went on to join the Shriner's and seemed to become more involved in that and as he grew older. His enthusiasm for Freemasonry seemed to diminish as he had retired, moved and did not fully enjoy the Masons in the local lodge. A fair number of Masons showed up at his memorial service and they also conducted their own ceremony for him.

Let me repeat, this is only from my father and if a Mason were to take issue with what he said, I would not and could not refute it from my base of experience.

I see no issue with Geo comments about being a Mason and a Christian as long as there is no refutation of Jesus. He has it right as far as I can tell.

Perhaps there is an advanced Mason in the group that can comment on this post. Now, I think this may be a problem as I understand that Masons are not to talk too much about their beliefs and goings on. Perhaps what I have said is either wrong or even not relevant to Freemasonry as a whole.

TF

Free Masons, Illuminati, or Federal Reserve?

Shshshshshsh. Dare not to speak against the lodges here.

The problem is when one speaks of something one knows nothing about.

All I ask was if your Catholic beliefs and your Masonic beliefs have any conflicts?

My second question would be, Are you a Master Mason?

Masons occasionally find the Lord, leave the lodges, and speak the truth about it. Anyone can read what folks of that sort have written over the centuries.

And most folks that read what they have searched for concerning Freemasonry believe it and are fairly satisfied that the author was on the level when writing his story?

Or maybe one believes what one wants to believe... If you search long enough, you will find something in writing to satisfy your craving.

Are you making some kind of threat? I wouldn't walk across the street to meet someone like you. I guarantee you would see 32 bright white teeth smiling down at you if we ever did meet.

Second time today for the threats from FH.

Albert Pike tended to go on a bit and a lot of his stuff is subject to different interpretations.

He knew his Latin and �Lucifer� in Latin means a �Light-bearer.�

albertpike.wordpress.com/albert-pike-lucifer/‎
��The answer came through the Catholic Encyclopedia on-line, which I assume to be the ultimate source on the topic. It says that the word �lucifer� was often used to mean Venus � the star that shines in the morning. It is used a few times in Vulgate to indicate �the light of the morning� (Job 11:17), �the signs of the zodiac� (Job 38:32), �the aurora� (Psalm 109:3), and even Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16 ).

The only reason why we use it as a devil�s name is an allegoric story retold in Isaiah 14:12 about one of the Babylonian kings falling from his throne as the morning star is falling from the sky. This passage was used by some interpretators as a Biblical proof of the popular legend of a fallen angel, which originated from other sources. St. Jerome, who translated the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into Latin, apparently used the word �lucifer� just as another word for �star� or �light� in a number of completely unrelated places. St. Jerome had no idea that one of these passages would give rise to another name of the Devil! The story of a fallen angel is sitting so deeply in our minds, that most of us do not realize that the Biblical evidence to support it is so shaky.

�So the answer to Pike�s question is simple: the name �Lucifer� = �Light Bearer� is a result of misunderstanding, of misinterpretation mixed with somewhat unimaginative translation. I wonder if he would pose this question at all if he knew the modern answer. As a by-product of my little research I came to an interesting conclusion: the story of a fallen angel with a strange name, made so famous through a number of well-known artistic and poetic masterpieces, is based on misunderstanding! There is no direct Biblical evidence to support this story � the only passage on which it was based was originally meant to indicate something else.�

Whatever in Hell �Old Albert was talking about; it was not Satanic worship.
Here is the whole quote:
"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apothesis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer.

LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, for traditions are full of sensual or selfish Souls?

Doubt it not! Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired.

The Apocalypse, indeed, is a book as obscure as the Sohar. It is written hieroglyphically with numbers and images; and the Apostle often appeals to the intelligence of the Initiated. �Let him who hath knowledge, understand! let him who understands, calculate !� he often says, after an allegory or the mention of a number.
Saint John, the favorite Apostle, and the Depositary of all the Secrets of the Saviour, therefore did not write to be understood by the multitude."

That leaves only one path to knowledge, i.e., joining up, right?

I am just trying to save some souls of uninformed/innocent people. Why that has led to insults and threats-----I don't know?
I guess the truth can really hurt sometimes.

That is incredibly arrogant of you, do you look down on everyone you meet and consider them your inferior?

You've insulted and slandered many fine people, yet have the gall to play the victim?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Masons seem very sensitive.

How do you manage to go there? Not looking down on anyone? WOW I can hardly believe this? This professor explains everything that Albert Pike writes in his own book on Free Masons . Fully explains that they admit to misleading you until you reach a certain level . Are you all going to cal TF49 a liar??? He has shared his own experiences with us (thank you)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q18iSz6mus

Stop trying to obfuscate and redirect, your words were as follows;



And your disingenuous whining about how unfair everyone is being to you is childish in the extreme.

But do the masons believe in evolution?!

Who cares, it is not for me to police what others believe as I have enough problems reconciling mine own.

Please watch the you-tube video Mr. Stuart.

It was a joke!

I am aware of that, I forgot to put a smiley on the post.

Gotcha! I can't do those on my phone!

Why am I yelling?

Hey J if I come down there with kamo can we get Aussie drunk?!

Really, a television program...you think my watching some television program for a few minutes will enable some type of epiphany!

You are truly some arrogant piece of work.

I'm watching it now. Excellent, so far. Thanks.

Freemasonry is the largest and oldest fraternity in the world. No one knows for certain where it originated but is believed to go at least as far back as the construction of King Solomon's Temple. It is thought to be at first a guild for workers skilled in stone masonry, traveling with Roman armies over the world. Later they were involved in constructing europes most beautiful cathedrals and elaborate stone edifices.

They are thought to be connected to the Knights Templars who were arrested, tortured and executed by the King of France in colusion with the pope to confiscate a large portion of their wealth. This was the same time frame that the pope issued a series of papal bulls against the Knights Templars and later Freemasons, making false accusations of heresy and blasphymy.

For many years if a catholic joined freemasony they would be excommunicated. Now most catholic churches have retracted that position. I know two men who are good masons and catholics in good standing with their church.

Masonry is not a religion although belief in a supreme being and immortality of the soul is required. We are encouraged to seek God but through no particular creed or theology.

Having been involved in Freemasonry for some years I can assure you The Grand Architect of the Universe refers to God.

I am a Master Mason, a 32 degree Sottish Rite Mason and a Shriner. I have served many offices in Blue Lodge including Past Master and District Deputy Grand Master. I can assure you there are no conspiricies, subterfuge or any kind of anti social or un godly ideas being promoted in Freemasonry. We are admonished to walk uprightly in our many stations before God and man. To promote harmony and compassion toward all mankind. We are encouraged to contribute towards the good of society and education.

I'm a born again Christain. Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior, no one else. I attend my church regularly. One of our deacons is a freemason. One lodge I attend has three past masters who are ordained baptist ministers. The Holy Bible rests upon every lodge alter. I can see no conflict between being a mason and seeking God.

George Washington and 19 of his generals were freemasons. Paul Revere, Ben Franklin. Heros of the Alamo, Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, Stephen F. Austin, William B. Travis and Juan Seguin. At San Jacinto, Sam Houston. Harry Truman was a Grand Master. John Wayne. Buzz Aldrin.

In every lodge I have visited, members were active in and contributed to their community and were men of good character. My lodge has 4 Sheriff Deputies, 3 captains and a sergeant. It's first master was chief of police. The sheriff in the county which I live is a master mason. Sheriff of next county over is a master mason and a shriner. The master of my lodge this year is a vietnam vet, flew rescue helicopter missions, he is now a practicing attorney. One of our newer members just finished a career with the army in special forces. Another member is the county treasurer. Several firemen, several business owners.

To apply for membership you must ask. We can not ask you. When someone petitions a lodge for membership he must be recomended by other masons. Then he is investigated carefully to see what kind of person he is in the community. He can not be a convicted felon or convicted of any crimes of moral turpitude. If a mason does not uphold his commitment to good moral and social conduct he can be expelled.

Sadly there are people who have been denied membership or have been expelled or can not conform to our usages who will make it their cause to slander freemasonry to anyone who will listen.

You are not allowed down here with Kamo unless you bring his wife and her entire kitchen...at which point I will pay for your grog.

So we all meet in New England?

There is that catholic church again...killing and stealing from those with goods it coverts.

One has to ask ones self why the Nazi's did not destroy the catholic church and burn it to the ground...a deal maybe?

Riverina.

I got deeply involved with this research because of Pope Francis
(whom I dislike very much) being a Jesuit. He is also the "black Pope" Marxist , Socialist leader of my church.I don't like what he (and my church have been promoting as of late) so I stumbled upon all these things by proxy .

So you are a God botherer with an axe to grind, no shock there.

News for you mate, most of us don't give toss about what any church says, it is your hobby horse not mine.

Wow, so you are a young earth creationist???

wow

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/BACAFM.htm

Arrogant? you are wacked.

Good man. Not a bit to do about the Mason aspect. The standing up for your father in a non-negotiable, serious way, and making no bones about it. Solid and bravo, sir.


My Scottish grandfather was one and I remember him making us stop one time in downtown Boston so he could go into the Grand Lodge, though I am ignorant --and happily so-- of anything they do.

There you go again, arrogantly putting your morality and beliefs on to me, and considering that I am not a Mason nor am I ever likely to be a Mason your condescension and arrogance in this matter is pointless to the extreme.

creationist ---yes. young earth timeline----NO
Theistic evolution is what I believe. a bit off topic.

Hee hee!

Check out the people behind the video you posted.
Serious young earth creationist and deniers of science.
You may wish to consider what this says about their credibility.

This thread has been highly entertaining if nothing else.

Uh oh. Perhaps this Satan connection does have some merit...

It has kept me going through a long miserable night.

Many here have met CT and would take his "conclusion" as gospel.

First off let me thank Craftsman for his accurate post.

I am a Mason and very proud to be one.

I am a Christian, specifically a Presbyterian. I beleive the Lord Jesus Christ is my personal savior, I believe in Heaven, and I believe in prayer.

OK, the Masons say you must believe in a supreme being, yes much like the Boy Scouts. You can't be an atheist and be in either organization.

These are my opinions and they are based on facts, but being opinions, they also have beliefs involved.

The same folks who started this country are the same folks who started the Protestant Reformation, and are the same folks who started the current FreeMason fraternity. These things occured at different times over a couple of hundred years, but it involved oppressed Anglo-Saxons. I am Scots-Irish and my people have been here since before the Revolutionary War. It is no secret that their beliefs are similar. So in other words our country was not founded specifically on Masonic virtues, it is just that the virtues are the same.

Now the reason the catholic church has a problem with FreeMasonry is because the Masons do not believe in state sponsored religion. The catholics do, just look at the Vatican. The fact that Cardinal Ratzinger, later Pope, and presently resigned pope is one of the biggest opponents to FreeMasonry is no surprize. These Masons don't like state sponsored religion, and also scrutinized the Vaticans banking. Hmmmm, didn't Pope Benedict resign over the books?

Now to the Baptists. The Baptists are victims of themselves. In the 1960's and earlier, and to some degree in the 1970's most of a churches elders were all good Masons; many pastors were Masons as well. I kind of blame Pat Robertson, who is an avowed enemy of FreeMasonry and Jerry Falwell for causing Baptists specifically and Christians in general to question their compatibility with FreeMasons. I will give Pat and Jerry the benfit of the doubt and blame it on egos, but it may be financial. Now the main reason they say the two are incompatible is Christianity says if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you will live forever in his house, the Masons teach that if you live a good life and help your fellow man then you will go to Heaven. This is their big gripe as to why a Mason can't be a Christian. FreeMasonry is not a religion. it is religious, but it only requires you to believe in a higher power and does not replace your religion in any way, shape, or form.

There is a little merit to this joke:

Muslims do not recognize any religion except their own.

Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of Christianity.

Baptists don't recognize each other at the liquor store.

In my family the Masons were a big deal, in my father's generation and before.
When I was a kid I was encouraged to join Demolay. I was in the Explorer Scouts at the time, so I asked what sort of activities they had. They didn't mention hiking, camping, canoeing and such, sounded pretty dull so I passed.
As an adult, as much as I am capable of, I didn'r hear anything that would cause me to spend the time and money to join.

Jim

Yep, there is an issue here: sbrmike wrote:

"the Masons teach that if you live a good life and help your fellow man then you will go to Heaven."

This sounds very familiar to me. My father would have been in agreement with that. If this is correct, it seems to me that this is a "religious" teaching that is in conflict with mainline Christianity.

If you are in a lodge that promotes that teaching, would that make it a religious teaching?

Gotta go...

TF

It says nothing about credibility on this topic. They are not related topics.

I might think my plumber to be wrongheaded on economics were he a devotee of Lord Keynes but, assuming he otherwise persuaded me of his competence as a plumber, that fact wouldn't affect the weight I gave to his recommendations concerning the plumbing in my home.

Yours is termed the logical fallacy argumentum ad hominem.

So, if a drug addicted, syphilitic, lesbian produced a film on motherhood and care for children it would be okay as they are unrelated topics?

Really.

The Masons are rotten to the core.

Because they allow humans into their fellowship.

It's a common failing in all organizations.

There he is,..wondered where Curdog was at...

I'm disappointed that Bristoe hasn't chirped in, I imagine he's got something to say, good or bad about Masons..

Hey Deerwhacker,

Do you have a hankerin' for blood sausage this morning?

Did you watch the first 5 minutes where they claim the Masons are in control of the world banking system?

Doesn't this conflict with your theory that it's the Jews that are in control of the world banking system?

Or all the Masons all Jews?

Or is the discovery institute who made the film just full of wack-a-doodles???

Don't worry, he'll be along soon. I just mentioned Jews.

I guess it all depends on how you look at it or take it. My take is right upfront the Mason's require you to believe in a higher power; they also tell you that nothing in the Masons goes against any religion. Atheists are not a religion in the Masons, mine, or any rational person. They use this reference to heaven so that they are not excluding Jews, Hindus, Buddhists etc, who do not hold Jesus Christ as high as Christians do. Again the Masons tried to make it generic, but being the WASPs that started the current form of the fraternity, their backgrounds are in the blueprints. Try as they may have to be generic, they knew what they knew. We're human.

My big issue is this was nothing new. Pat Robertson doesn't like Masons and this is the only way he could sway his followers to agree with him. Many pastors in earlier times, especially in the south were Masons.

The way I take it is the Masons are just putting a little emphasis on being a better person, with charity towards the less fortunate. I do not see it as a conflict with my Christian religion. I do not consider FreeMasonry as my religion, or as any religion at all. It is more like a supplement.

I was turkey hunting once and came up on a Mason ritual in the woods.

They were nailing a baby to a tree.

true story.

Well, now, who should I believe? A 32nd degree Scottish Right Mason, or a known paranoid screwball who thinks John Wayne was a Satan-worshiper?

I've never said "the Jews" are in control of world banking. That's rather like saying "the Italians" are in control of the numbers racket in Chicago.

Ah, So you think they are one of several mob type organizations in control of the financial systems.

Good times.

Did you join?

335 replies.

Is 500 possible?




Will Masons consume all the babies in the world?

Does anybody know for sure?

Hmm, I just turned CBS Sunday Morning and there were the FreeMasons�big as life.

Coincidence? Freemasons control the media and are watching this thread.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-the-secret-world-of-the-freemasons/

The entire video should be up soon.

I only watched it because of this thread.

It's a conspiracy...they are watching you through your telly!

And they control Gordon Lightfoot. He was also on Sunday Morning, too. His songs are all full of masonic symbols. No wait. Canadian symbols. I get them confused...

I'd be careful now, you've discovered an ancient secret to the "Unique Flavor" of their esoteric and hard to find sausage.

GTC

Wait for a full moon.......everybody knows Masons have the BEST orgies!

Everybody knows that hanging meat and letting it age is the secret to success. If it's not cool enough outside a baby fits in small cooler just fine. Ice 'er down and let the enzymes go to work.

No that is Greenies, they get naked and rub up against trees...no you are right, it is Masons.

Reading comprehension issues??

It's a distinction without difference. The Masons control Greenpeace. And they hold the patent for Astroglide. You need a good lube to be able to rub up against a tree more than once.

Yes, you've found us out. Colorado has the best parties. (We are called greenies because of our green license plates)

Ha, we call the conservationists and tree huggers greenies, generally spat out like profanity.

I just happened to run across a really nice baby cage on the fire that's worth sharing. It will easily hold three or four younglings.




Masons are wicked good at building things.

Say hello to Gretel for me.

Wasnt Elmer Keith a mason?

We still call them Hippies. We've managed to corral most of them up in Boulder, and yes they really do know how to party. When the Hippie Chicks show up to the party don't try to have a rational conversation with them.....just sit back and enjoy the show....

It's hard enough for me to accept that John Wayne was a Satan-worshipper. The thought that he might have nailed babies to trees is almost too much to bear.

Scottish Rite Mason.

So that's what haggis is made of.

BS !!! Sure we do.

That looks similar to somehting UtahLefty built to house his Chickenhawks...

hhhhh....what if UtahLefty isn't into Chickenhawks,..what if all his hawk photos are faked...it's all a big ruse and he's using his encampment to raise and sell children to Masonic lodges...

the Horror.......the Horror...

Every time I ever watched a jury go in for deliberations, I always HOPED they would see things like you just did.

It wasn't UtahLefty.

Bugger all else on this thread has been true, why start with that.

I never thought I would see something on the Fire as lighting as creationism and evolution but here it is.

Hit the quote button and see who posted the pics.

I am aware that you posted it, I was referring to him laying it at UL's feet.

Need to get this back on track:

Of the Masonic rule � brotherly love, relief, and truth � certainly the two former, especially as understood in the sense of mutual assistance in all the emergencies of life, is for most of the candidates the principal reason for joining. This mutual assistance, especially symbolized by the five points of fellowship and the "grand hailing sign of distress" in the third degree, is one of the most fundamental characteristics of Freemasonry. By his oath the Master Mason is pledged to maintain and uphold the five points of fellowship in act as well as in words, i.e., to assist a Master Mason on every occasion according to his ability, and particularly when he makes the sign of distress. In Duncan, "American Ritual" (229), the Royal Arch-Mason even swears:

I will assist a companion Royal Arch-Mason, when I see him engaged in any difficulty and will espouse his cause so as to extricate him from the same whether he be right or wrong.

Photobucket account!!!

This is taking all the fun out of it.

One up and coming young Mason recently suggested that the sausage recipe be modernized,........something to do with "Eco-Friendly / Reduced fat"

BAD mistake, his lodge disemboweled him, and into the latest batch he went.

........very set in their ways, those folks.

GTC

Is the level of character you're demonstrating typical among Freemasons?

Well, he is a closet Satan worshiper.

Masons are not vegetarians.

Is that a bad thing?

Should I come out of the closest?

Wanna join?

When you become a member it's all the sausage you can eat and ...

A funny little car if you sell your soul.

You have to buy your own fez though. The good part is the fez cartel offers Shriner discounts on all adornments.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan

"It isn't so much that "insert any that apply" are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so."

German Masonic sausage advertisement.

Personally I have no feelings one way or another about Masons. The one or two I know are fine people and I have no problem calling them friends. But I would note that in the local police force there seems to be an inordinate number of Masons who rise to top rank.

Jim

Hugh

Yes, Elmer Kieth was a freemason.

And Kieth thought the .270 was satanic. Now I'm really confused.

I'm pretty open, but I'm not joining any conversation that involves sausage eating and closets. Satanic/Masonic or not.

But I could rock a fez. Just sayin.

John Wayne AND Audie Murphy are satan worshipers? Who could have seen that coming?

Apparently had great sausages, too.

You go Super Hero!!

While the organization is rooted in the occult (which, to a Christian, is just another way of saying it's Satanic), the vast majority of participants experience it as a sort of social club with nifty rituals. It's only as you rise to the highest levels that you get exposed to the core occult aspects, i.e., that are overtly anti-Christian, and since it's so gradual, you may not even realize you've become an occultist instead of a Christian.

This is according to folks who've risen to the highest levels and left the organization. The occult roots of Freemasonry have been well-documented for centuries, which is why it's been condemned by organized Christianity, nearly since its founding, as incompatible with Christ's message.

With all the talk here about Free Masonry being compatible with Christianity among, mostly, unpleasant junior high play ground sorties, little boy sword rattling by the name-calling defendants, if the above quote by Mason, sbrmike, is true, then then none of you defending the compatibility of Masons and Christianity know what you are talking about.

That aside, were I not a Christian, and uncaring of it, I, upon an offer to sup and mingle with the fine character, and civil uprightness so exemplified by Free Masonry here, would..defer.

I agree completely.

You are wrong sir.......but

As to Masons....

I am one and never hang my head for it......

We are the first and original labor union

If you know or support the Shrine then you know a Mason

All Shrinners were Masons first!

Are you all still pooping on the Masons?

As noted before. Some have a 'if you are not with me, you are against me.' And then they call the others names. Who likes competition for members (which equates to power)?

I believe that the Catholic Church is also run by diabolists. You just have to talk to the right group.

Be cautious who you condemn thought, it might make you look foolish when you quote their works in other things.

Its all mumbo-jumbo anyway. As if wearing the right clothes or saying certain words or holding you hand a certain way means anything to God. It ought to binteresting to see how others interprete that info.

Where is the guy with the stick who is beating the dead horse?

After having some of our members with real experience come on and describing with good detail where the Masons fit in to their lives and describing how the Mason's fit into American society, why is this thread still alive?

I think it's time to start showing pretty girls with various stages of undress similar to the .223AI just to keep this one going.

kwg

The Masons desperately want me to join but I don't like to paint myself with any brush other than American.


Travis

I don't believe being a Mason has any bearing on one's going to Heaven or Hell...
I have never heard it said in lodge or by a Brother Mason that being a good person will get one into Heaven.
Accepting Christ as ones personal savior will do the job but being a Mason will have nothing to do with it..
Catholics say that by my being a Mason I will wind up in Hell... guess we'll find out sooner or later.
Note: Get a chuckle when I see several people quote the Nazi Pope and his thoughts on Free Masonry..

Here's another guy that ate sausages.



Edwin (Buz) Aldrin Clear Lake Lodge No. 1417 Not only was he a Freemason, but he took a Masonic flag to the moon.

I didn't realize the Masons ate babies too. I thought it was just the atheists. That explains the shortage I guess.

They only eat them in sausage, and only while worshipping satan, so I'm not sure if it counts as really eating babies or not.

This thread and the spam thread should be combined.

that's what I love about this place, always learnin new facts


now I'm an expert on Mason's too!


but I can tell you Jimmy Dean is gonna be pizzed about all this sausage making.


hey wait a minute you don't spose ole Jimmeee was a Mason do you?

Obama is a mason .

I think he was a closet Mason.

lol

You mean he is a sausage eating closet Mason?

Wow,
After 40 pgs of conspiratorial nonsense and infantile saber rattling, I'm stunned that 14 former U.S Presidents, a significant number of writers and signers of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and founding fathers of this country as well as thousands upon thousands of other fine, upstanding Masons of note that have made tremendous contributions could have their freedom of beliefs and practices be sullied by a group of uniformed and immature posters that have the current freedoms they enjoy due in part to their efforts and sacrifices.
I won't even get started on the military lodges that thousands of masons belonged to and many still do during their contributions and sacrifices to preserve the freedoms that so many enjoy. Unbelievable and reprehensible behavior IMHO.
For the uninitiated that pretend to have a clue as to what Masonry is, I suggest that you may want to fact check reliable sources and stop google fooing Internet nonsense only to make fools of yourself and spew it here.
The Masonic fraternity and all of its appendant bodies the last time I checked is the largest charitable fraternity in the world. It has lodges in almost every country on earth and spends on the order of over a million dollars a day, every day in charitable relief.
I am a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason and am proud of the company I keep.
YMMV,

BD

I am not a Mason, nor a Christian. That said, when somebody's stupidity becomes offensive, I will glady point it out.

A few here have accused people close to me of being devil worshipers. I have accused them of nothing. I simply pointed out their gross dumbassery.

Accusations aren't necessary when they flaunt it for all to see.

A closet Mason is someone that does all of their Satan worshiping and sausage eating in a closet.

A walk-in closet is the preferred choice for Satan shrines. I think that's were the Shiner thing comes from too.

Of course a walk-in closet. Got to have room to practice driving them little parade cars.

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Spam baby sausage bump.

Closet shrine bump.

Tooths on the ground bump.

KOTY Browneye bump.

Merry Christmas to all Masons bump.

[quote=BlackDog1]Wow,
After 40 pgs of conspiratorial nonsense and infantile saber rattling, I'm stunned that 14 former U.S Presidents, a significant number of writers and signers of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and founding fathers of this country as well as thousands upon thousands of other fine, upstanding Masons of note that have made tremendous contributions could have their freedom of beliefs and practices be sullied by a group of uniformed and immature posters that have the current freedoms they enjoy due in part to their efforts and sacrifices.
I won't even get started on the military lodges that thousands of masons belonged to and many still do during their contributions and sacrifices to preserve the freedoms that so many enjoy. Unbelievable and reprehensible behavior IMHO.
For the uninitiated that pretend to have a clue as to what Masonry is, I suggest that you may want to fact check reliable sources and stop google fooing Internet nonsense only to make fools of yourself and spew it here.
The Masonic fraternity and all of its appendant bodies the last time I checked is the largest charitable fraternity in the world. It has lodges in almost every country on earth and spends on the order of over a million dollars a day, every day in charitable relief.
I am a 32nd Degree Scottish Rite Mason and am proud of the company I keep.
YMMVHow old is your Grandma,BlackDog?York Rite here BTW.

Well no wonder they don't let atheists join then. Atheists prefer to eat them barbequed or grilled. I can see where that would be a point of contention. I'm going to have to report my findings to the atheist high council at our next strategic planning meeting for the war on Christmas.

Mr.Tide,I've been trying for a long time to figure that out too.I also am York Rite 32nd Degree,and I haven't been clued in on how long the wait is.

So. TRH is the insider spy we need to worry about?

Another example of TRH having "inside" knowledge of an organization he doesn't belong to based on what someone else was, allegedly, telling him.

Once again, I'll stick with actual knowledge. Funny, guys like Tide, etc. apparently aren't privy to the "secret knowledge" that an outsider has. Reminds me of his insider knowledge of "police policy" and hiring practices that he knows nothing of in reality.

George

+1

You know how it is, you gotta be an outsider to have inside information.

This I can 100% guarantee is false and he will never be in my lodge

Those that are in the fraternity know why.....those who are not.....well

For the brethren here....I am of the York, Shrine and MOVPER

Nor mine.

George, we all know that depts only hire brainwashed ex military, statists, so that when the call comes down we can steam roll over the citizenry. It has to be that way. If the World bankers intend to enslave al of the "free thinkers" and keep them under the mind control effects of flouride to use as slave labor.

A few of us were duck huntin' in Northern wisconsin many years ago. I thought it a good idea to jump outta the boat with my shotgun on a muskrat lodge , while the other guys motored around the corner. I thought I would have clear shootin'. Then the lodge started to sink...................I think those 'rats were masons.

I'd love to say that I never disappointed my paternal grandfather (Papa). I never got the chance to square up with him on this issue.

I know this, he was no worshipper of Satan (Dad, uncle, etc. the same) and TRH isn't a fraction of the man he was. Threats of violence based on a web opionion are ridiculous, especially when you consider the source.

Full disclosure, if it wasn't already obvious, I am not a Mason. In my case, it was a matter of not having the time/commitment to take advantage of the "invite " (not sure what to call the conversation).

George

We'll talk about it in March, my friend.

Free Mason

Keep this thread at the top until the end of the week. I need to hike up the mountain to leave Papa the 20 gauge hull I shot my doe with last week in OH. I'll take a pic of the stone wall next to where he's resting along with the view. You'll likely recognize the symbol.

If I find out that Freemasons are responsible for reduced sulfur in my diesel fuel I'm gonna' hold em' in less regard than previous.

So far it's all just rumor.

GTC

I'll throw you all a small tidbit

Free.......not a slave or a convict

Mason......stonecutter/fitter.....craftsman

I'm cutting out for Virginia on Wednesday, I hear Deflave and Bob are running amuck through the Virginia countryside and I need to check on them. I'll be looking for the photo!

Maybe that's cause your uncle was just as full of schit as you are?

A 3rd degree Mason can join the Shrine, and many other arms

One of our local Mason groups sell Brunswick Stew, not sausage if anyone would like to add that to the ruckus.

I know little of the group and honestly don't have any interest in another obligation of time and treasure but as many have said here the people I know who are members generally fall into two groups church going Christians, people who joined cause Grandaddy, Daddy etc were in it.

Mike

You are on a roll tonight, Fish.

kwg

Note To Self: While at the Fire, only ever speak praisingly of cops, soldiers, Israel, and Masons.

I keep reading about saber rattling and threats of violence and I honestly wonder if the people saying this are talking about me.

Of course, it doesn't matter. When I told Browneye that if he were standing in front of me and dishonoring my father there would be consequences.

That wasn't a threat. It was a statement of fact.