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.350 Rem Mag . . . from deer to moose, elk, Grizz
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A 7mm RM was my only big game bolt rifle for 20+ years. It took prairie dogs, coyotes, antelope deer and elk. For a dedicated deer rifle the 7mm RM stuffed with 140's to 160's is more than adequate out to 600 yards.
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7mm Remington, 9 twist, #2 contour at 23". Throated for 168 Hybrids.
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im kinda partial to the 300 wby
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308 Norma just to be different.
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For a deer rifle only,I'd sell what ya got and get a 6.5 Creedmore WAY too slow, you are forgetting my 3500fps minimum muzzle velocity rule, stated in my thread parameters. Never understood why anyone would choose a 6.5 Creedmore over a 264 WinMag or other faster 264. Both shoot the same high BC bullets, but speed still does matter, and kill.
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308 Norma just to be different. Had one, liked it pretty well, but was far too much gun for deer only. I have much bigger rifles for Elk and bear etc. Don't need or want the flexability etc. and none of the normal bullet weights in this round reach my minimum muzzle velocity (stated in my thread starter) of 3500 fps.
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Absolutely 257 weatherby, again. And drop the barrel down to 22". why on earth would anybody do that?
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.350 Rem Mag . . . from deer to moose, elk, Grizz I have an uberfast 33 for big stuff, and a 416 Rigby for REALLY big stuff so do not need or want the versatility. And, what load did you see that drove any bullet with even a sorta good BC out the snout at 3500fps or more?
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Mark never had one but thinking 3500 fps+ might be a stretch for 140's in a 6.5-300 Win Mag. I can see you outrunning a 264 with that case but not by enough to hit 3500.
I do know for sure that in a 7mm Dakota you will do 3550 with a 120 TTSX with RL22 because that's what I got in mine.Barrel was 24". A 7mm LRM is pretty much the same thing.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Mark never had one but thinking 3500 fps+ might be a stretch for 140's in a 6.5-300 Win Mag. I can see you outrunning a 264 with that case but not by enough to hit 3500.
I do know for sure that in a 7mm Dakota you will do 3550 with a 120 TTSX with RL22 because that's what I got in mine.Barrel was 24". A 7mm LRM is pretty much the same thing. You are probably right. Someone else mentioned that to get to 3500, I might have to slum the 127gr Barnes LRX bullet. I could be happy with that one, methinks. Good BC, great terminal effect, and very high speed to boot. On the 7mm front, my 7mm Mashburn Super pushed Moly'ed 120's out of the 26 inch spout at 3700fps so if I go with a 7mm, it will be the Mashburn Super version again.
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What about a .300 Win mag using a 130 gr Barnes TTSX?
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You could launch it at 3600 FPS and a .284 162 at 3100 and the 162 is going to have more speed and a lot more ass at the 500 yard line.
You can't screw physics and 162/.625 BC is about the dirtiest trick in the book. There may be something to the .277 150 ABLR (.625BC)
BC is everything, unless its a DG rifle. There its straight horsepower....
Physics is physics, numbers don't lie.......
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Looks like a 270 Weatherby may be able to push that 150 ABLR to 3,300.
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You could launch it at 3600 FPS and a .284 162 at 3100 and the 162 is going to have more speed and a lot more ass at the 500 yard line.
You can't screw physics and 162/.625 BC is about the dirtiest trick in the book. There may be something to the .277 150 ABLR (.625BC)
BC is everything, unless its a DG rifle. There its straight horsepower....
Physics is physics, numbers don't lie....... True. The 162 Amax a 3100 fps wins in energy and wind drift. In trajectory, the 130 would trump but only about a handswidth or so to 600 yards,as far as I looked. I started the 130 XLC at almost 3700 from a 26" barrel of a 300 Win Mag and the Barnes Manual max load of H4350.Even compared at that velocity the 162 Amax still shows an advantage in wind and energy,only being beaten slightly in trajectory. I like the Amax at 3200 fps.Anybody got any? Damn! Just ran the 162 Amax on the Hornady Calculator at 3200 fps and 300 yard zero....no wonder I don't need turrets to 600 yards with that bullet. The dots on the 6X leupold work fine at 500 and 600.Looking at that table tells me why. Mark I'd get a 7 magnum of some sort,use this bullet at 3200 fps....it has legs.
Last edited by BobinNH; 12/17/13.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I do... But I'm only pushing them a measly 3,050 via a 24" 7 Rem. I'll take that over any 3500fps ping-pong ball Barnes. Sane pressures, mild starting velocity, and high BCs are where it's at.
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�.. ping-pong ball Barnes�.
Tanner Thats a little harsh�..
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7mm 168 LRX @ .550 wouldn't hurt. You play with the numbers enough and a fella can really start to hate 162's. Mainly cause it can't be touched, unless you can squeeze 3,300 outta 150 ABLR.
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