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No knock, no announce, breaking in...copper killed himself.
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Bastard that came up with the warrant should have lead the raid. There are very few times a no knock warrant should be allowed. As for pot being a drug, just go watch old movies again. Two families lives ruined. And we cannot take any of it back.
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Bastard that came up with the warrant should have lead the raid. There are very few times a no knock warrant should be allowed. As for pot being a drug, just go watch old movies again. Two families lives ruined. And we cannot take any of it back. Pot did not cause this death, and unannounced raid caused this death. Pot was a minor actor in this incident.
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Bastard that came up with the warrant should have lead the raid. There are very few times a no knock warrant should be allowed. - - Two families lives ruined. And we cannot take any of it back. Consider that !! It is terrible to have a LEO hurt or killed while doing duty, but there are right and wrong ways to do duty. If life is a "number is up" game, doing stupid things will get you a low number.
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The requirement to get a no-knock warrant should be extreme. Think hostage situation.
They should also, because of the above, be very, very rare.
IMO, the "war on drugs" has had the unintended consequence of the militarization of the police.
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Colorado is giving out retail licenses to sell the $hit and deputies in Texas are dying over it. This war on drugs is so screwed up.
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Colorado is giving out retail licenses to sell the $hit and deputies in Texas are dying over it. This war on drugs is so screwed up. Amen brother!!! 
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One Can Expect, a Few Things In Life. One Being If You Kick In A Mans Door. Their Will Be Shots Fired.. Sorry But Family First.
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I don't see how they could win, but never am surprised by how crazy some folks are. What stops burglars/robbers from yelling "police, search warrant," when they enter.
If you came into my house and I didn't see lights flashing outside, there would be guns pointed at you and shots fired if I didn't see a badge in that split second.
Never a good time when an officer is killed, but I don't think I could convict on what I've read. There is always more to the story. Which is precisely the idea behind the framers requiring a warrant, which is a right belonging to the suspect. That means forced entry constitutes a rights violation unless there's a legitimate opportunity to inspect said warrant prior to the cops' power to enter being activated, i.e., because otherwise absent that the homeowner possesses the right to repel with whatever force is necessary, which predictably results in death on one side or the other. Gotta agree with TRH on this one. The fact that the courts have allowed this activity to become common does not make it any less a violation of what is right and what is just - not to mention unwise.
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The requirement to get a no-knock warrant should be extreme. Think hostage situation.
They should also, because of the above, be very, very rare.
IMO, the "war on drugs" has had the unintended consequence of the militarization of the police. No. It is absolutely intended. These incidents provide plenty of propaganda for those who profit from this war on drugs/terror citizens. They will never give up the untold billions that are pumped into this [bleep] abomination.
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[quote=Pat85]Colorado is giving out retail licenses to sell the $hit and deputies in Texas are dying over it. This war on drugs is so screwed up.
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No knock, no announce, breaking in...copper killed himself.
Exactly... LEO here is quick to say that "stupid gets you killed" regarding speeders and reckless drivers being shot. The same applies to cops doing stupid no knock break-ins. I'm not the least bit happy an officer died doing what he was told was his duty. It's tragic! The dipshidt that made the whole thing happen should be jailed for negligent homicide. Higher ups need to be held accountable, and not just by slaps on the wrist or reprimands. Stupidity ending in death is criminal.
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My prayers for both families. However if you kicked in my door in the wee hours of the morning I might be reaching for a firearm too.
No knock warrants have a history of bad experiences...elderly people have been killed with this same BS.
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About 3 years ago the state police were executing a warrant. The home owner woke up and heard someone at the door so he armed himself with a shotgun. One of the troopers shined a light in and saw the home owner and started yelling he's got a gun! For some reason the young man didn't shoot. Good thing. The troopers were at the wrong address and the home owner is an honest citizen. I don't bash LE but IMO kick in the door at the wrong address it's not the home owner's fault if they shoot.
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One thing that concerns me is when someone posts as above "He was probably a scumbag anyway..." Constitutional rights are not parcelled out according to someone's subjective judgement of that person's merit-
We either all have rights, of none of us have them, eventually. The so called war on drugs has been used to erode all of our rights with this mentality, because at first, no one cared if the cops ran rough shod over the druggies and the "hippies" and whatever other buzz words were currently popular.
Hitler used the same mentality.
Sorry for the rant but I was brainwashed at an early age to rever the constituion- And I still do.
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Interesting. Let us know how it plays out.
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One thing that concerns me is when someone posts as above "He was probably a scumbag anyway..." Constitutional rights are not parcelled out according to someone's subjective judgement of that person's merit-
We either all have rights, of none of us have them, eventually. The so called war on drugs has been used to erode all of our rights with this mentality, because at first, no one cared if the cops ran rough shod over the druggies and the "hippies" and whatever other buzz words were currently popular.
Hitler used the same mentality.
Sorry for the rant but I was brainwashed at an early age to rever the constituion- And I still do. One of the better posts on this topic. Thank you, Royce. Paul
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Iowa has an absolute ban on No Knock Warrants. About 30 years ago a young Officer went into a home on a No Knock and it got him killed and the offender went to jail for Involuntary Manslaughter and did less than 5 years.
If you send a guy to the door looking like a Jehovah Witness someone will be at the door in seconds to run him off, then you make your move. kwg
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One thing that concerns me is when someone posts as above "He was probably a scumbag anyway..." Constitutional rights are not parcelled out according to someone's subjective judgement of that person's merit-
We either all have rights, of none of us have them, eventually. The so called war on drugs has been used to erode all of our rights with this mentality, because at first, no one cared if the cops ran rough shod over the druggies and the "hippies" and whatever other buzz words were currently popular.
Hitler used the same mentality.
Sorry for the rant but I was brainwashed at an early age to rever the constituion- And I still do. One of the better posts on this topic. Thank you, Royce. Paul Yep. +1
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According to another story they guy had two MJ plants, a misdemeanor amount.
Can you flush plants?
If not, what was the justification for a no-knock warrant?
The real fault here lies with the Judge who issued the warrant, but as a Judge, he's untouchable.
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