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One thing that concerns me is when someone posts as above "He was probably a scumbag anyway..." Constitutional rights are not parcelled out according to someone's subjective judgement of that person's merit-
We either all have rights, of none of us have them, eventually. The so called war on drugs has been used to erode all of our rights with this mentality, because at first, no one cared if the cops ran rough shod over the druggies and the "hippies" and whatever other buzz words were currently popular.
Hitler used the same mentality.
Sorry for the rant but I was brainwashed at an early age to rever the constituion- And I still do. +1, spot on
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One thing that concerns me is when someone posts as above "He was probably a scumbag anyway..." Constitutional rights are not parcelled out according to someone's subjective judgement of that person's merit-
We either all have rights, of none of us have them, eventually. The so called war on drugs has been used to erode all of our rights with this mentality, because at first, no one cared if the cops ran rough shod over the druggies and the "hippies" and whatever other buzz words were currently popular.
Hitler used the same mentality.
Sorry for the rant but I was brainwashed at an early age to rever the constituion- And I still do. Exactly. "First they came for the Catholics, but I wasn't a Catholic......."
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According to another story they guy had two MJ plants, a misdemeanor amount.
Can you flush plants?
If not, what was the justification for a no-knock warrant?
The real fault here lies with the Judge who issued the warrant, but as a Judge, he's untouchable. I do not disagree, but a lot of the blame should go to the officer that "Requested" this KN warrant in the first place.
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Someone who breaks into your home in the middle of the night, Cop or not deserves to be shot. I could not agree more strongly. TRH makes an excellent point about the homeowner's rights being violated unless he is allowed to see the warrant first. +1 to both posts
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I think that anywhere that there is some type of castle domain law that announcement of some sort is more appropriate , Is a drug charge more important than a LIFE,
NOT This. Since when did catching a "suspect" (remember, we're all supposed to be innocent until proven guilty) red-handed trump human life. If the suspected quantity is small enough to be gotten rid of that easily, is it worth risking a life in a no-knock raid? ^ And pay no less than 8 municipal employees to execute. I had no sympathy for ASAC Schrader when he met his end.
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We got shot at a lot doing hard entries back in the '90's. I am confident that most of the shooters thought they were getting robbed. I don't like serving no-knock warrants at all, but they have their place.
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What place would that be?
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The judge that issued this "no knock" for a [bleep] pot plant, deserves to be shot in the face.
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No knocks should be limited to kid napping, hostage situations and terrorists where there is hard evidence that they might take the LEO's with them to meet Allah.
No knocks should never be used for drugs of any type, in any type of situation. If they flush it, it wasn't that much and wasn't worth the potential loss of life.
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The judge that issued this "no knock" for a [bleep] pot plant, deserves to be shot in the face. I would surmise the KN requirements were met because they had grounds to believe the suspect ( who was a convicted felon) was armed and had more to do with element of surpise in regards to safety. And had damn little to do with the number of Pot plants
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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I would surmise the KN requirements were met because they had grounds to believe the suspect ( who was a convicted felon) was armed and had more to do with element of surpise in regards to safety. And had damn little to do with the number of Pot plants
If that really were true, there would be one less dead deputy.
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What place would that be? OT
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A no knock warrant sets the stage for SOMEBODY to get killed. Better the deputy than the homeowner as far as I'm concerned.
The homeowners death would have accomplished nothing. The Deputy's death may result in a revision of the SO's way of doing things.
Of course the most likely revision will have the cops shooting thru the door prior to busting in.
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I would surmise the KN requirements were met because they had grounds to believe the suspect ( who was a convicted felon) was armed and had more to do with element of surpise in regards to safety. And had damn little to do with the number of Pot plants
If that really were true, there would be one less dead deputy. Nothing is a certainty in life. I don't like NK warrants. And have served a total of one of them. Contrary to belief they are pretty difficult to obtain, atleast in our area
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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The judge that issued this "no knock" for a [bleep] pot plant, deserves to be shot in the face. I would surmise the KN requirements were met because they had grounds to believe the suspect ( who was a convicted felon) was armed and had more to do with element of surpise in regards to safety. And had damn little to do with the number of Pot plants Yeah, but everyone's armed in Texas.
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The article says the shooter was a felon but also says his guns were legally owned. ???
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The judge that issued this "no knock" for a [bleep] pot plant, deserves to be shot in the face. I would surmise the KN requirements were met because they had grounds to believe the suspect ( who was a convicted felon) was armed and had more to do with element of surpise in regards to safety. And had damn little to do with the number of Pot plants G12 he legally owned 4 firearms, so he couldn't have been a felon.
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What place would that be? That would be when it's more likely to save innocent lives than doing otherwise.
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The judge that issued this "no knock" for a [bleep] pot plant, deserves to be shot in the face. I would surmise the KN requirements were met because they had grounds to believe the suspect ( who was a convicted felon) was armed and had more to do with element of surpise in regards to safety. And had damn little to do with the number of Pot plants I didn't read anything about him being a felon. I did read this: Police recovered the semiautomatic assault rifle allegedly used to kill Sowders and several other guns the defense attorney says were legally owned. His atty is a really sharp guy. I'm sure he knows a felon is not allowed to own firearms.
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Hell, it's a trailer. Drop a screen in the plumbing clean out, if you're worried about losing some buds, announce the warrant on a loudspeaker, if Bubba don't come out, then pop a couple CS cartridges through the window.
Ain't like he's going anywhere.
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