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�Obamacare is an unaffordable government expenditure whose costs will run amok as time progresses;
it�s a grand scheme concocted by our intellectual superiors who know what�s best for us but unfortunately can�t quite make the pieces of their intricate creation fit together;
it�s a wealth redistribution scheme that reaches even into the pockets of the middle class;
it replaces the efficiency of the market with the plodding redundancies of government;
it puts determinations about our fates in the merciless hands of government bureaucrats; it coerces individuals to act against their interests and desires;
it inflicts collateral damage on businesses large and small and reduces hiring;
its regulations, fees and new taxes raise costs for most consumers;
it ultimately will harm even those it was designed to help by increasing dependency and destroying the practice of medicine in this country.

As Americans recoil in horror over the next few years, they will simultaneously behold the untenable expansion of the nation�s debt, the looming peril of bankruptcy for Medicare and Social Security and the failure of the economy to expand robustly.

It will be, for Republicans, a most perfect storm.�

Keith Koffler, who covered the White House as a reporter for CongressDaily and Roll Call, is editor of the website White House Dossier.
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LOL another detard successs story.

Lookin fer love in all the wrong places?

Nah... Just lookin fer sense between all the wrong spaces...

Bowsinger we agree that ACA is a cluster. No one doubts that. Where we DISagree is the point at which you suggest that'll motivate changes back to the right in either elections or ACTUAL reversals of ACA back to the right.

Ain't happening.

Post your numbers. Show me where I an wrong.
This fall the coming repeat of 2010 mid-term Conservative Landslide will be the end of this mess.

Two months ago�
11/11/2013
Obamacare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections
Steven Hayward, Contributor Forbes
Prediction: even if HealthCare.gov is fixed by the end of the month (unlikely), Obamacare is going to be repealed well in advance of next year�s election.
And if the website continues to fail, the push for repeal�from endangered Democrats�will occur very rapidly.


The website is a sideshow: the real action is the number of people and businesses who are losing their health plans or having to pay a lot more. Fixing the website will only delay the inevitable.

It is important to remember why it was so important for Obama to promise repeatedly that �if you like your health insurance/doctor, you can keep your health insurance/doctor.�

Cast your mind back to the ignominious collapse of Hillarycare in 1994. Hillarycare came out of the box in September 1993 to high public support according to the early polls. This was not a surprise. Opinion polls for decades have shown a large majority of Americans support the general idea of universal health coverage.
But Hillarycare came apart as the bureaucratic details came out, the most important one being that you couldn�t be sure you�d be able to keep your doctors or select specialists of your choice.

The Clintons refused to consider a compromise, but even with large Democratic Senate and House majorities the bill was so dead it was never brought up for a vote.
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Now that people are losing their insurance and finding that they may not be able to keep their doctor after all, Obamacare has become the domestic policy equivalent of the Iraq War: a protracted fiasco that is proving fatal to a president�s credibility and approval rating.
The only thing missing is calling in FEMA to help fix this Category-5 political disaster.

Senate Democrats endangered for re-election will lead the charge for repeal perhaps as soon as January, after they get an earful over the Christmas break.
They�ll call it �reform,� and clothe it in calls for delaying the individual mandate and allowing people and businesses to keep their existing health insurance policies. B
ut it is probably too late to go back in many cases.
With the political damage guaranteed to continue, the momentum toward repeal will be unstoppable.

Democrats will not want to face the voters next November with the albatross of Obamacare.
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The hazard of the moment is that a compromise �reform� that drops the mandate and attempts to restore the insurance status quo ante could leave us with an unfunded expansion of Medicaid and a badly disrupted private insurance market.
Republicans should avoid both the political traps and a new fiscal time bomb by being ready with a serious replacement policy, based on the premium support tax credit ideas that John McCain advocated (poorly) in 2008.
While anxious liberals are in dismay, they should recognize that Obamacare may well have achieved its chief purpose of making universal or at least greatly expanded health coverage a fixture of American social policy.
The cost to liberalism may prove fatal, however.

Krauthammer on Healthcare.gov: 'All hell's going to break loose'
Published January 22, 2014
FoxNews.com
Charles Krauthammer predicted Wednesday on "Special Report with Bret Baier" that "all hell's going to break loose" if the administration can't fix the problems with the Healthcare.gov website by mid-March.
"Right now the insurers are guessing at the subsidy, so all of this is on the honor system and it can be wildly off," Krauthammer, a syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor said. "If they undershoot, the insurers are going to go bust. If they overshoot, the government is going to be stuck with a huge bill."
Krauthammer said it is clear "no one knows what's going on" as communication between the administration and insurance companies suffers due to the faulty ObamaCare sign-up website.
"You've got a train wreck coming," he said. "I think it's going to come out slowly, it's not all going to happen in one day, but I think they're in deep trouble and the deadline is mid-March. If they don't have this in place in mid-March, then there's going to be- all hell's going to break loose on this."

No matter how much the country hates the ACA, I have NO faith in the Republicrats doing anything about it, even if they won with a veto-busting majority.
They don't have the balls to do a damn thing about it, not a damn thing. The only balls they have, are bouncing off their chins.

I couldn't have stated it better... SPOT ON!!!!

I am having trouble following your logic.

What balls, pray tell, does it take to vote for repeal of a law that the country hates�

It would take more balls to support a program that has sunk to under 40 percent in the polls than it will to vote to kill it.

Same for any bailout; about 65 percent opposed is not numbers you want to hear if you want to vote for a bailout.

The Republicrats, those who want to get reelected, can read the numbers as well as anybody.

They are watching the same family horror stories piling up daily on Fox News.

Crap we are still on this? ObamaCare is working as designed. It's here to stay.

You bet we are still on this. Will be until you or anyone puts up the numbers to prove me wrong.

Here are some of the latest numbers:
�The public overwhelmingly opposes any ObamaCare bailout of the insurance industry, the latest IBD/TIPP Poll found, even as the Obama administration is paving the way to do just that.
The survey found that 65% oppose a federal bailout of insurance companies that find their profits hit because not enough young, healthy people sign up for ObamaCare plans.�
Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/politics-...rance-industry-bailout.htm#ixzz2rEfwtclw

I am also having trouble following your logic.

Is ObamaCare here to stay or is it so bad it will be replaced with single payer insurance?

Screw the numbers I deal with the tax side and the taxes are going forward. But the purpose of ObamaCare is to get us to single payer universal health care and in that direction ObamaCare is working just fine.

The Republicans won't repeal. In fact, they are trying not to do anything at all before the elections. And then, of course, they'll cite the next elections as a reason for not doing anything.

But what is going to happen is that the Democrats are going to start proposing some "fixes" for Obamacare. The Republicans will resist and they will be lambasted in the press. And since the Republicans in Washington don't seem to realize that you could fit the entire audience of MSNBC on a average night inside a good sized ballroom, they'll eventually cave after a series of made up polls show them losing ground before the election.

As such, sometime this summer there will be bi-partisan "reforms" to fix Obamacare. The president will get up and make a speech about how they always knew that this thing was a work in progress and that change isn't always easy. Then, during the elections the Republicans will just hang on to their majority in the house, while not gaining enough senate seats to take the majority there.

After the elections, instead of realizing that they went soft and lost the momentum, the Repubs will blame the Tea Party elements for alienating the "independents" and costing them more gains in Congress.

Everything will remain more or less the same. Rinse, wash, and repeat.

Dead right.

You two bookends do realize that the Republicans can�t repeal Obamacare before the elections?

And if the numbers hold and this year�s mid-terms is a repeat of the 2010 mid-terms what would be the reasons that the reinforced House and the new Republican Senate will not do what the House tried to do without the Senate back in 2011?

That is the point. They can't repeal it for nearly three more years at the absolute earliest and that is a long damned time to hunker in a hole and try to ignore the carnage taking place in hopes of using it as a campaign issue. There will be a great impetus for change and or fixes over the coming months and years and the Repubs will start catching heat for resisting those fixes. Being Republicans, they will, naturally cave in short order.

The point is that it cannot be fixed and as my title says, the �carnage� is getting worse.
The numbers are getting worse and voters do not believe it can be fixed.
The numbers for any big government programs are in the tank.

After the fall election, there will be damn few left in the House or Senate that will buck the tide to bury the dead. Or support Lameduck Obama.

Aetna CEO: We might have to pull out of ObamaCare because it�s not attracting uninsured
posted on HOT AIR, January 23, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham
One of the nation�s biggest health insurers is worried enough about a scenario in which it would have to pull out of Obamacare exchanges that its CEO is willing to talk about the possibility on national TV from Davos.

It may be partly a signal to the administration to get this train moving, but it�s no doubt also a reckoning with reality. Obamacare is not attracting the uninsured, and if the administration would stop changing the rules long enough for insurers to get a handle on who is in the exchange population, they�d no doubt find that population is far more sick and expensive than it was supposed to be.

Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini told CNBC on Wednesday that Obamacare has failed to attract the uninsured, and he offered a scenario in which the insurance company could be forced to pull out of program.

The company will be submitting Obamacare rates for 2015 on May 15.

�Are they going to be double-digit [increases] or are we going to get beat up because they�re double-digit or are we just going to have to pull out of the program?� Bertolini asked in a �Squawk Box� interview from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. �Those questions can�t be answered until we see the population we have today. And we really don�t have a good view on that.�

He said that so far, Obamacare has just shifted people who were insured in the individual market to the public exchanges where they could get a better deal on a subsidy for coverage. �We see only 11 percent of the population is actually people that were firmly uninsured that are now insured. So [it] didn�t really eat into the uninsured population.�

For Obamacare to work better, it needs more flexibility and choice of insurance programs, Bertolini said. �We need to make it a lot more simpler for people. There needs to be more choice. When you get more choice, you make it more of a market and you get more people in the program.�

It is working exactly as designed. To totally ruin the health care insurance business and "force" the government (that includes RINO Republicans who want to keep their jobs) to go to a single payer, socialized medical plan for the entire country. That way the libs that write the regs can choose who will live or die. That will get the radical environmentalists all excited so they can celebrate the deaths of the enemies of earth.

For the radical left to get their way they have to create a crisis and that is exactly what we are seeing now.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

Do you really believe it is working as intended? Really?

I'm sorry, but they are not as good as some give them credit for. This thing implodes on itself and secures this president the number one spot as the worst president ever.