Actually most say. "Yeah, you caught me" and plead guilty. For first offense at least. Night in jail before first appearance, around $500 plus attorney's fees, 30 days suspended on conditions including alcohol abuse school, no drinking/drugs possibly with daily testing paid for by the offender, no trouble with the law, possibly vehicle impound fees. Work permit usually granted. Pretty good slap on the head to get their attention.
Maybe in S.D. But here, DWIs are a huge deal. A good DWI attorney in Austin will cost you $15,000. $20K if it was a DWI cop that arrested you.
Wonder how you folks who think being stopped and questioned for no apparent reason is OK would feel when they come knocking on your door asking if you have any guns.
....well someone's wife/daughter/friend was shot, so I'm all for getting those terrible guns of the street.....
Incrementalism creep isn't that far fetched. Just look at where we've come in the last 30 years. Just look at some of the new gun laws of the last year or two. Registration, bans.... little by little.
The 4th protects you against unreasonable searches and seizures. If you seize me without a reason, that is by definition....UN-reasonable.
Thanks Mav. I like you more by the day.
(Ass slap)
Travis
Good game...Good game....
Finding drunk drivers ain't rocket surgery. In fact, if you get off work at bar close time it's hard to make it back to the office without tripping over one. You can make plenty of DWI arrests without check points.
What part of this isn't understood? or is it OK because it will save a life or two? Same folks that think reasonable 2nd Amendment regulation is OK, as long as it saves a child, and the hell with the US Construction.
Ben Franklin was correct!
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
effects pl n 1. Also called: personal effects personal property or belongings
Drunk driving check points is an exception, Supreme Court held it not unreasonable based on public safety/minimal intrusion. That's why they're quick and advertised. I believe some states have held otherwise.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Driving is not a Constitutionally protected "right" it is a privilege granted by the State government,which is elected by the people.
People have a duty to comply with the rules of the road in order to use them, that is part of the agreement when getting a license. If one doesn't want to be "checked" they can choose to not drive on the public roadways.
If the rules are to stringent then the people need to influence their representatives to change them. The same way MADD and other groups influence their Reps to toughen them.
How in the hell these checks and fish and game checks pass constitutional muster is beyond me. G&F checks are worse than the. DUI ones. What's the PC for the stop? You are driving a car? We have the DUI stops and I have driven through 2. They tag people for insurance violations more than DUI. Just show your 'papers' and you be on your way shortly.
Drunk driving check points is an exception, Supreme Court held it not unreasonable based on public safety/minimal intrusion. That's why they're quick and advertised. I believe some states have held otherwise.
Yeah. That same "court" is going to have the same opinion when NY and CT goes lookin' for all those guns they can't account for.
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
Driving is not a Constitutionally protected "right" it is a privilege granted by the State government,which is elected by the people.
People have a duty to comply with the rules of the road in order to use them, that is part of the agreement when getting a license. If one doesn't want to be "checked" they can choose to not drive on the public roadways.
If the rules are to stringent then the people need to influence their representatives to change them. The same way MADD and other groups influence their Reps to toughen them.
Mike
Here ya go read it again,
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
How in the hell these checks and fish and game checks pass constitutional muster...
They (probably) don't. SD gave up on them after somebody in MN challenged the stops and they were found unconstitutional, under the MN constitution IIRC. DUI checkpoints are pretty much unique.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Driving is not a Constitutionally protected "right" it is a privilege granted by the State government,which is elected by the people.
People have a duty to comply with the rules of the road in order to use them, that is part of the agreement when getting a license. If one doesn't want to be "checked" they can choose to not drive on the public roadways.
If the rules are to stringent then the people need to influence their representatives to change them. The same way MADD and other groups influence their Reps to toughen them.
Mike
Holy [bleep].
Travis
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
Outside of at/near the U. S. border where other rules have always applied don't think you can do that. Agricultural inspections at state borders is the only other exceptional case that comes to mind.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
