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What is so bad he bought two pre 64 and looks like he got burned real bad on them. I feel for the guy to a certain extent. He is out spending money he probably shouldn't be spending. I suspect he gave a lot more for that featherweight than what it is worth. The transition pre-64 if it is true that its a 1946 made one and one fella pointed it out the rear bridge was not drilled and tapped for scope mounts in 1946 that didn't come along until 1948 that's what one of the posters said. If that's the case I was always told $250 dollars a hole on the pre-64 so take $500 off the transition pre-64. He saw pre-64's possible quick turnaround and make a few bucks off the deal. In the end it looks like he got a featherweight with the wrong bolt in it, and transition pre-64 with two extra holes in it. Instead of making $2500 plus off the guns he might be lucky to get $1600-$1750 for the pair. He probably gave 2 grand for the both of them.

They're over on the Winchester Collectors Forum reading Mark's for sale add there before he post it here, on The Classified Forum...

"I am sincerely hoping that a member in good standing here at this forum will be able to stake a claim here and not make me offer these up to the classifieds only hawks at that forum.

mark"

If anybody would actually READ what he's been saying, they would know that he does not have access to the rifles at present as he's in CA at medical appointments while the rifles are at home in WA. It's not difficult to understand why he can't provide serial numbers/LOP, etc.

I understand why no serial numbers are forth coming.
All it could possibly lead to is more criticism.

What is so bad he bought two pre 64 and looks like he got burned real bad on them. I feel for the guy to a certain extent. He is out spending money he probably shouldn't be spending.

According to the OP, he was home Saturday night through Sunday morning. Took the time to tell us all about his ailments, and make posts on other threads, but still no serial number.

I am away from the home right now and cannot get a look at the rifle but surely will later today and get back with you.

All side issues and agendas aside, this was bound to happen.
The Winchester Model 70 pre'64 market has become a cottage industry because it is so specialized. If anyone has spent anytime in the Rule book, you know that the 27 year manufacturing
history is complicated. Why people were clamoring for the serial number is that it represents the "dob" for the rifle. That month and date represent an era in the manufacturing history that indicates what the rifle should "look like". There probably is no other rifle out there where the serial number means so much!

The cottage industry I spoke of means that there are people who not only specialize in this Model as a legitimate seller, but those who alter rifles to put them in another era of higher value. Not all rifles can be altered, but certain variants can be tweaked into something else and something many times their original value. Because there is money to be made, there will be those willing to counterfeit.
This does not mean to impugn the integrity of this seller!

It is not all that uncommon that someone trying to sell a rifle, is actually peddling a counterfeit variation and truly doesn't know it! Neither he or the eventual buyer realizes they have an altered Model 70. Some of these guys can be really talented.

The bottom line is that Model 70 collectors will always scrutinize a sale with a suspicious eye and a skeptical attitude. That trait came out here and spooked the seller who could have easily settled any concern with two bits of information. Good luck to all of us.

desperate people do desperate things.

I haven't dog piled on any of these Safariman threads but damn dude.......you really need to step back from the classifieds for a while and rethink what the he'll you are doing here. The issues with the items you sell and the issues with the transactions after you sell stuff is like a broken record. And please stop telling everyone about your health issues, it's pretty clear that the sympathy factor has long since worn out.